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Does the CBR 500R compare to the Ninja 500R?

Hey guys, Okay lets start from the beginning...
Honda came out with a 2017 CBR500R recently and I am starting to realize that a lot of people dont even realize that kawasaki already had a 500 released....... I have looked for comparisons online, but I couldnt find anything with the two, all I could find was the CBR500R compared with the kawasaki ninja 300 and the ninja 600/636. so I decided to see what you guys think would actually happen if the two went head-to-head with the ninja being carbureted and the cbr being fuel injected??
to make it easier Ill put the engine specs for both bikes below...
CBR500R
Engine Type 471cc liquid-cooled parallel-twin
Bore And Stroke 67.0mm x 66.8mm
Induction PGM-FI with 34mm throttle bodies
Ignition Computer-controlled digital transistorized with electronic advance
Compression Ratio 10.7:1
Valve Train DOHC; four valves per cylinder

KAWASAKI NINJA 500R
Displacement: 498.00 ccm (30.39 cubic inches)
Engine type: Twin, four-stroke
Compression: 10.8:1
Bore x stroke: 74.0 x 58.0 mm (2.9 x 2.3 inches)
Fuel system: Carburettor. Keihin CVK34 x 2
Fuel control: Double Overhead Cams/Twin Cam (DOHC)
Ignition: TCBI with digital advance
Cooling system: Liquid
Gearbox: 6-speed...


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don't remember the Honda, what years? Raced gains Honda 400 4s and beat them

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don't remember the Honda, what years? Raced gains Honda 400 4s and beat them

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The CBR500R has only been out since 2012, long after your race days.

As for a head to head between an EX500 and a CBR500, the EX would probably eek out on top. The EX has close to 10 more ponies going to the rear tire and 3 foot pounds of torque over the CBR. However, the fuel injection on the CBR is going to provide a smoother power band. Peak power comes in sooner on the CBR than the EX, though the torque curve is roughly the same. Weight is about the same, so no advantages to be found there.
The other big difference between the two is fuel economy, though that has nothing to do with a head to head race. The EX averages around 50mpg while the CBR rolls in about 70mpg thanks to a milder tune and fuel injection.

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The Honda is a quarter century newer design. It's a lot more refined however you can pick up a used 500 for a lot less money which makes the 500 still pretty attractive in comparison. Also for the price of a new Honda 500 you can almost buy a new Kawasaki 650 which is still a better bike.
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I had the chance to sit on one of these (2016 and 2017 models) today. Feels small but well planted to the ground, definitely not a bad trade up especially for the price if you're looking to modernize but still like the 500 power.
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This is a question why?

What are you looking for?
A straight head to head?
It's relative.
A well tuned any era 1987-2009 EX vs the 2012 Honda CBR500?
The EX wins.
Forget your magazine numbers. The EX wins.
What does the Honda have? Open loop fuel injection and a fatter a**.
I grew up on Honda... but the CBR500 literally can't match the EX.

I've wrestled with what I'm going to get to replace the EX... long story...
My EX is 12 years old, new off showroom.
8 years on a CBR600F3 before that.
'73 CB350.... yada etc.

I don't want or need anything bigger..... and I've eyeballed what's new for years.... Mama K went to the 300... Honda came back out with the 500.
(There was that VFR500 in the early 80's but who's counting?)

None the less.... in the 500cc "sport bike cruiser touring perforamance" range, there's literally nothing that can touch the EX500.

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This one should be close to ex500,but its rare as f...

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Not really. For starters, it's a 4 cylinder, not a 2 banger. Power is a tad less, while torque is notably less and it's a pig in comparison: dry weight is 22 pounds more.

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EX: Fast and advanced for its time. Still fast for a 500 twin. Chassis and suspension stone age. Parts bin.

CBR500R: Far better chassis and brakes (320mm front), 21st century engine. Aimed lower on the performance target. Will not have a fansite anything like the EX does.

O_E_M, I'd ride an FZ-07 in a heartbeat, but it's a dirtbike to me. SV650 is like the EX, long-in-the-tooth engine, mediocre suspension/brakes. Ninja 650 is getting close but that 180º crank has got to go. Yammie will never build a YZF-R7, so the search continues.

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This one should be close to ex500,but its rare as f...

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Doesn't have anythig to do with the EX500 vs CBR500 question.

It's not really even a contender.
As mentioned, twice as many cylinders but less torque... AND heavier.

If you want to move it, you need torque.
If you want to move it off the line faster or have faster acceleration from any speed, you need more torque or less weight.
You want to acclerate really fast... more torque AND less weight.
Torque is the key to acceleration.
Horsepower is the key to top speed.

Simple version:
You need torque to get you there. Need horsepower to keep you there.

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O_E_M, I'd ride an FZ-07 in a heartbeat, but it's a dirtbike to me. SV650 is like the EX, long-in-the-tooth engine, mediocre suspension/brakes. Ninja 650 is getting close but that 180º crank has got to go. Yammie will never build a YZF-R7, so the search continues.
¿Que?
Where the hell did any Yammi come into this?

Only thing close in your statement is the "long in the tooth engine".
Give you that. The EX, compared to practically anything since the turn of the century is an old dog. But it's a faithful old dog. Like a woman.
Older they get, the more you better treat them well. They stuck with you this long, you can't help but admire them. And the more you admire, the more you see the beauty and strength. The more you see it the more you love it. You forget the weaknesses and love it even more in spite of them.

Now that poetry corner is over....
Lube it well, flog it often, keep it charged....
Maintain it well, ride it hard, love it tender.... it'll treat you good.

Words to live by.
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PS: The new CBR500, sorry, it can't compare. Although it would at the moment, be the closest replacement.
Almost apples and oranges.
35 years between them.
Even at that, stock straight heads up. The EX.
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¿Que?
Where the hell did any Yammi come into this?

Only thing close in your statement is the "long in the tooth engine".
Give you that. The EX, compared to practically anything since the turn of the century is an old dog. But it's a faithful old dog. Like a woman.
Older they get, the more you better treat them well. They stuck with you this long, you can't help but admire them. And the more you admire, the more you see the beauty and strength. The more you see it the more you love it. You forget the weaknesses and love it even more in spite of them.

Now that poetry corner is over....
Lube it well, flog it often, keep it charged....
Maintain it well, ride it hard, love it tender.... it'll treat you good.

Words to live by.
O_E_M

PS: The new CBR500, sorry, it can't compare. Although it would at the moment, be the closest replacement.
Almost apples and oranges.
35 years between them.
Even at that, stock straight heads up. The EX.
It would give you a "like", but the forum bug will not allow me for the moment.

Somebody give a beer to this good man.

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^ I think it is going to be for more than a moment. {insert eek surprise smilie here}

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I wouldn't go from one 500 to another unless I was too short to operate a bigger bike. I would at least go to a 650, but a 1L is much better.
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It would give you a "like", but the forum bug will not allow me for the moment.

Somebody give a beer to this good man.
Accepts that beer.

@2wheelmax
Really? I accept your post as an attempt at humor.
No, there's no "need" to go to a 1l.
If that "need" for more overwhelmes logic, jump on it.
If the 500cc doesn't do it for you....

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¿Que?
Where the hell did any Yammi come into this?
Just some wishful thinking as a parting shot. Not intentional derailing, but #1 on my wish list. If the Honda CBR500R has a hottie motor, it would be a viable replacement. But, it is essentially a tarted-up poser. A high quality, reasonably powerful mid-sized bike, but with a different purpose. It's "Honda rational" which means boring to some.

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There are so many great bikes out there these days but I would consider a Yamaha FZ7 or one of it's derivatives if I was in the Honda 500 price range. Better engine, brakes and ergos and better resale meaning lower cost of ownership as it will appeal to more owners. A 650-700cc twin is more versatile and useful for riding than a 500, weighs the same, and gets similar fuel economy. In fact the Kawasaki 650 engine is more compact and weighs less than the Kawasaki 500 engine but produces smoother and greater power.


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