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« on: September 28, 2007, 04:32:32 pm »

Now I'm nowhere near an expert so please be nice. This is my first attempt at a guide, as there were some things I found when doing this that may be useful to others. I hope so anyway.

This took me about 3 and a quarter hours! 3 hours to take of the rear fairing and fender, cut down the fender and put in the new indicators. The front indicators took quarter of an hour!

I ordered Motrax Micro Arrow Indicators with clear lenses (even though the damn mirrors behind them were amber) with short black stems. I also ordered the generic (mostly) indy spacers. The Indicators were £15 a set and the indy spacers were £5 a set. £40 total.

The indicators:-


The spacers:-


A comparison. You can see how huge the original indicators are. I've probably saved a bit of weight by getting rid of these beasts!:-



I started by taking off my seat and emptying out all the bits and pieces I stuffed down the side. I was pretty impressed by all the stuff I managed to fit down there so I had to take a pic (note: the feet are not normally stuffed under the seat too!):-


I decided it would be a hell of a lot easier to get the fender off if I removed the rear fairing first. You need to detach the connectors for the indicators from the single-wire connections as shown below (one green wire & one black/yellow for each indicator). Just yank em apart gently:-


You can see 6 empty bolt holes below. You need to remove the bolts from all of these to take off the fairing, passenger grab-rail thingy and the fender. You can use the stock toolkit but I found it a lot easier to use a socket set. You also need to disconnect the square white connector you can see in the middle to disconnect the break-light:-


You need to use a large Phillips screwdriver to unscrew the bolt at the bottom of the rear fairing on each side of the bike before you can remove it. You can see it there between the front footpeg and the airbox. Then you can pop the edges of the fairing sideways out of the holes in the fuel-tank and slide the whole thing back off the back of the bike:-


To remove the indicators there is a nut on the inside of the fender that you need to unscrew from each. It's on pretty tight. Then you can pull them out being careful of the wire. I'd advise putting the plate that falls off and the nut back on before you hide them away somewhere. Then you are left with the rubber holder thingy below:-


You can just pull this out. I found it was easiest to push the front through first from the inside. Then you get a nice big hole:-


This is where the indy spacers come in damn handy:-


I found that I had to chop up the smaller, inside spacer before it would fit in the rear (the front one fitted in fine by the way):-



Anyway, you need to remove two more bolts to take off the fender, which makes it all much easier. These are the ones above and slightly behind the rear bungee mount hook. You can see it in the image above.


To chop my fender up, I used duct-tape to outline the straight lines I was going to cut out and then used a dremel to cut it out roughly. I made sure that I left at least 2-3 mm gap from the part that I actually wanted to keep. I smoothed this off afterwards using a file and Stanley knife. This took a while as I was being really careful not to ruin it.

I decided to cut at 90 from the corner of the fender to the bottom of the indicator mount point, then followed that around until I was about halfway and then in a straight line from that diagonally down towards the corner of the numberplate mounting plate (I'd already taken that off by the way as well as the indicators. Then I cut along the bottom of the numberplate mounting plate location. I decided I wanted to get rid of as much of the fender as possible without making it weak. Here's some pictures of the offcut. You can see completed ones further down:-





I found it REALLY fiddly to get the spacers and the indicators to line up. There wasn't room for the round split washer that comes with the indicators - just the nut. The nut actually fits into the inside of the inner spacer and therefore cannot be turned. You have to turn the rubber part of the indicator. I used high quality needle-nose pliers on the rubber part to turn them for leverage. This should actually mean that it won't vibrate it's way off but I'm still thinking about getting some locktite!

Without the indy spacers I would never have got the indicators to fit onto the front and the rear would have been unstable. They look pretty good too. The way you get them on is to thread the indicator bolt through the outside spacer using the cable, then the cable through the hole in the fairing, then though the inner spacer, then through the nut and then hold it all together from the inside while you twist the indicator on from the outside.


Because of the retarded connections that come of the GPZ (or maybe the retarded people at Motrax) the connectors that came with the indicators wouldn't fit. By this stage I was thoroughly fed up with the whole thing and there was no way I was putting the bike back together to go to Maplin to buy connectors!!! I just chopped off the ends of the indicator connectors, stripped the wire, twisted it, folded it in half and shoved it inside the bike connector. Then I used pliers to crimp it all down damn hard and covered it in electricians tape. A bodge job but it's strong and works.


The front indicators were soooo much easier to get out and to install. You just need to get a Phillips screwdriver up under your front fairing (with the power turned off) and unscrew the screw below on the indicators. Then it's a matter of following the wires from the indicators, freeing them from any cable holders, unplugging them from the bike and pulling the indicators out from the outside (the rubber gives easily once the metal clamp thing is off):-



From the front (sexy):-


The indicators are much brighter than the stock:-


And sooooo much smaller. You can see the spacer looking good there too:-



Nice blurry one of the rear:-


The indicator looking nice and bright again:-


And here from the side showing the fender reduction and the spacer:-


And you can see the line of what's left of the fender nicely here as the picture's taken from underneath:-



Anyone desperate enough to use this guide, feel free to ask me any questions you might have.



And now I'm done, partly a guide, partly showing off what I've done - my first permanent mod to my bike. I'm relieved it's over and it does look a hell of a lot better now!



Andy
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2007, 04:58:42 pm »

Hmmm, maybe I should have put this in How-To's / FYI ...
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2007, 11:30:04 pm »

Sorry for being lazy, but I must do this to my bike.  Where did you order those blinkers and spacers, and is there anything special I need to know about spacer size etc? 

(ps - thanks for the guide)
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2007, 03:42:38 am »

I think that spacers designed for generic kawasakis should fit our bikes with very little modification needed.

I ordered my bits from here http://www.inter-bike.co.uk/inter-bikeshop/default.asp?categoryid=230 in the UK.

They've got lots of bits there. I'm orering this http://www.inter-bike.co.uk/inter-bikeshop/default.asp?numperpage=1&images=on&display=full&categoryid=81&searchstr=SCRK074&itemname=Kawasaki%20EX500%20Ninja/Ninja%20500R%20(Year%2094-06)%20Airblade%20Light%20Smoked%20Double%20Bubble%20Screen  and this http://www.inter-bike.co.uk/inter-bikeshop/default.asp?searchstr=hootaz&Search=Press+To+Search&searchdomain=All&categoryid=81 from them next.

As long as you have a vaguely mechanical/logical mind you should be okay with this. It's quite scary just cutting into the fender but make sure you leave yourself space to smooth off and file down and there won't be any problems.
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2007, 05:34:02 pm »

Riding with your feet underneath your seat must be incredibly uncomfortable. Not to mention safety. Do you reach down with your left hand to shift? Lol jk.  Cheesy

Nice guide.
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2007, 06:07:25 pm »

Riding with your feet underneath your seat must be incredibly uncomfortable. Not to mention safety. Do you reach down with your left hand to shift? Lol jk.  Cheesy

Nice guide.

It keeps them nice and warm you see! Smiley Actually I use a bit of string tied to the lever to change gear! Cheesy
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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2007, 09:51:35 pm »

thats a freak'n huge plate you have , no wonder you don't need a fender , Grin
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2007, 02:51:20 am »

thats a freak'n huge plate you have , no wonder you don't need a fender , Grin

Yeah about the only thing it's good for is keeping the crap off my back and making it easy for speed cameras to fine me! My last bike just used the number plate as the mudguard (fender) and I though the GPZ might as well do the same!
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2007, 10:59:36 am »

Looks great, and thank you for all the pictures.  Those help a TON. 

new indicators and the 'custom' rear fender are going to be my first mods this winter ...as soon as I can scrounge up the cash.

***updated*** $33 for spacers and markers on ridegear.com (that includes shipping).  Cash successfully 'scrounged'
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2007, 03:22:01 am »

***updated*** $33 for spacers and markers on ridegear.com (that includes shipping).  Cash successfully 'scrounged'

Nice! That works out at less than half of what I had to pay! Although the exchange rate is very good for us Brits at the moment!
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2007, 08:54:48 am »

That was for fronts only, so half should be about right.  I'm looking into a set of rears that mount to the back of the plate itself.  Essentially there's a bolt that replaces your plate-mounting hardware.  That screws into the stalk of the signal itself and they hang out from behind the plate.  Kinda slick, but i'm not sure they'll be protected from wheel-splash in that position.  we'll see.

None of the signals I looked at were DOT approved (not sure how that works across the pond).  anyone in the states know if this is a big problem?  Does that mean the lights aren't bright enough, or just that the glass/plastic lenses aren't tested to withstand impact and shattering?
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2007, 11:18:42 am »

Nice, I am going to have to do this instead of spending $75+ on a piece of aluminum they call a "fender eliminator kit"
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2007, 01:51:32 pm »

Nice, I am going to have to do this instead of spending $75+ on a piece of aluminum they call a "fender eliminator kit"
It's so worth doing instead of wasting stupid amounts of money!

None of the signals I looked at were DOT approved (not sure how that works across the pond).  anyone in the states know if this is a big problem?  Does that mean the lights aren't bright enough, or just that the glass/plastic lenses aren't tested to withstand impact and shattering?
In the UK they have to be "E marked" and they made a big deal about these indicators being e-marked on the packet so I assume they'd do the same in the US when they're DOT4 marked! You'd have thought any major company that makes things like this would make the effort to make sure they meet the grade and get them tested!

Also on ebay you can buy stickers that say e-marked on them to stick on exhausts. Maybe they do the same in the US! Wink
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2007, 07:16:37 pm »

^ hahaha, working the system so the system doesn't work you.  I like it.

I did a quick search on DOT certification for lights and didn't find anything official.  Basically the consensus on other forums was that very few "flush" mount signals are DOT approved, and the shorter the stalk, the less likely they are to be legal. 

Now is any cop ever going to know that?  I highly doubt it.  But i am 100% sure a dealership wouldn't be allowed to sell a bike w/o DOT approved signals.  There's probably some liability issue.

Probably has something to do with their position in relation to the headlight or something... I wouldn't be surprised if signals have to be X inches away from the primary source of light on both ends of the bike so they're less likely to blend in and more visible from a distance.  or something like that.
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2007, 01:17:52 am »

Probably has something to do with their position in relation to the headlight or something... I wouldn't be surprised if signals have to be X inches away from the primary source of light on both ends of the bike so they're less likely to blend in and more visible from a distance.  or something like that.

And that would probably make those bikes that have them INSIDE the brake light VERY illegal! Cheesy
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2007, 08:53:54 pm »

^ so true.

I just pulled the trigger on a pair of rear signals that mount to the license plate bracket.  Probably not so legal either...

For my setup, I figure i'll drill a couple holes in the fender to route the wires through behind the plate and zip-tie the wires together to keep them from hanging down or anything.

tonight I moved the plate holder up a few centimeters so it's RIGHT below the reflector.  I'll be sure to take before and after picks once the parts get here!

Thanks again for this guide.  it help me with which parts to buy for the front, and what to expect taking the tail section apart. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2007, 11:10:55 am »

Where can I buy the spacers and turn signals here in the U.S.?
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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2007, 02:01:11 pm »

www.ridegear.com is where I got mine.  Generic Kawasaki spacers did the trick.  I didn't see a set specifically for the rear set, but you can trip them down like in this guide.

Honestly, ridegear's selection of signals was not that great... search around the internet for them.  I bought my fronts from ridegear and the rears on eBay.

In a lot of respects, you get what you pay for w/ signals... a lot of sites want $20 for ONE used factory signal.  My set of 2 short-stalks was $13.   They're definitely lower-quality, but look better.  And they still flash brightly when you turn them on; just realize that you might be changing a cheap set every couple years, whereas the stockers are made to last the life of the bike ...even if they are ugly.  Ridegear messed up my order and sent the same shipment twice, so I now have 2 spare signals.  All of the suddent I dont' have to worry about changing bulbs for a long time...
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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2007, 02:28:24 pm »

I like it. I have been thinking about doing something like that to my bike. Now I know what it will look like. Should go well with the new paint job I just did.
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2007, 08:30:34 am »

I didn't see a set specifically for the rear set, but you can trip them down like in this guide.

When I bought my spacers they have rear and front sets available as separate items but they sent me two identical items. When I looked at the spacers available from Motrax they only have one set that work with front and rear (with trimming). It would be very difficult without spacers and they're pretty cheap. I just wish the indicators i had, had longer bolts.
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2007, 02:07:46 pm »

I kinda did the same thing you did minus the new signals and spacers. I used a hacksaw instead of a cut off wheel (I didn't want to get hit by flying hunks of melted plastic). Looks a lot cleaner IMO.

I bought another fender so to keep my original if I was to sell the bike. Some folks like original stuff and I have a box full of it.
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2007, 04:25:00 am »

I kinda did the same thing you did minus the new signals and spacers. I used a hacksaw instead of a cut off wheel (I didn't want to get hit by flying hunks of melted plastic). Looks a lot cleaner IMO.

I bought another fender so to keep my original if I was to sell the bike. Some folks like original stuff and I have a box full of it.

Looks really good. You're lucky to have number plates sized so nicely for bikes! I thought about buying a new fender to chop off as this was my first non-reversable mod but in the end decided that if anyone buying the bike didn't say "where's the mudguard?" I wouldn't mention I'd chopped half of it off! Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2008, 02:36:15 pm »

Which spacers did you order from the inter-bike website? i've ordered the Other Makes: Multi Fit Round ones as the GPZ was not listed in the kawasaki one.

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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2008, 04:28:03 am »

Which spacers did you order from the inter-bike website? i've ordered the Other Makes: Multi Fit Round ones as the GPZ was not listed in the kawasaki one.

Cheers

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The generic Kawasaki ones work fine on ours. You have to mod the rear one slightly though. You can see more here http://www.ex-500.com/index.php/topic,4159.0.html
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2008, 11:44:24 am »

hey thanks for the guide. I'm going to do it soon just need some nice weather so i can work in my garage. i was in need of some spacers i did look on www.ridegear.com but i cant see Generic Kawasaki spacers is that the name of them can some one tell me what to look under

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