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post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 12-5-2009, 5:35 PM Thread Starter
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Mini Moto Racing

Well, yesterday I went to the Birmingham International Motorbike show at the NEC. It was really very good, I sat on nearly all the bikes . There's a few bikes that I liked. The Z750, I've dreamed about this forever, it didn't feel special to sit on though... I found I'm definately not a sports biker, too low down, don't like the position etc. I know I loved the off road/supermoto bikes and I know I'll get one. BUT by a mile, the best bike to sit on, was the triumph street triple, it was PERFECT. Absolutley perfect. Just felt so right, and I'm 99% getting one in a few years. I knew they were a good bike anyway, but now i sat on one, thats it.

Anyway. The reason why I started this topic, anyone ever been mini moto racing?
It was 10 a go for about 5 minutes, expensive I know but I never go on these kind of things and I thought what the hell. There was me, and 3 mates (one didn't want to go on because he'd rather spend the money on new leathers). And there was 3 other people on the track. I got used it really quickly, by the second corner I was getting my foot down. It was just SO SO SO amazing, it was absolutely brilliant, well worth the money. I actually had 2 goes on it, wasted a lot of money, but god was it worth it.
I fell off 2 times in the first session. Then 3 times in the second. One of them was literally on the corner were EVERY spectator was watching because you weren't allowed around the back. Then one pretty bad crash. I caught up with 2 guys battling it, then just cruised behind for 2 corners, then on the corner just before the straight it was a tight corner that opened out onto the straight, so I went wide and then came back in as I was throttling it to go on the inside of them both, I throttle too hard while leant over because I had to go so close to the wall to get around them because they were pretty much side by side. Back skidded out, regained grip then went into a tankslapper kine of thing and as I was coming across infront of them (I was overtaking them at this point haha) the bike flung me off and it flew down to the corner at the end of the straight and I rolled and tumbled onto the barrier, got up and ran to the bike.
The first session was better because my bike had more low down power but less top end. Better on this track because it was very twisty. The second sessions my bike was all top end power band material, and at the end of the straight it was just getting into this so it was pretty crap and I couldn't use it.
I came second in both of the races (well 3rd in the second because there was a 7yr old boy, who races them and helps out and he came in the second session, knee down every corner, perfect techinque etc etc, mini rossi). And my mate won. He just seemed to flow well and fit good on it (he's very flexible and used to be a gymnast)
The thing that annoyed my was that I couldnt get my feet in the proper position and for 3 crashes was the reason (my excuse ) why I fell off. Going to low, feet lifting the rear tyre up and just low siding. That pretty much ruined it for me because I couldnt get a 'good' lean angle and get close to knee down etc. And you are putting SO much weight onto your arms, after five laps your arms are burning...good workout haha

Anywho, sorry for telling you the whole story.
Anyone ever been? Done it? Seen it? Found it good? Wana do it again?

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post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 10-3-2012, 7:02 PM
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Re: Mini Moto Racing

three years late, but I was going to start a thread on this and did a search beforehand.

To make a long story a slightly shorter, most of you know I started doing track days on my EX500 in spring of 2008, then quickly bought a Honda F2 track bike, and a year later got my 600RR, progressed through Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, and have been racing with WERA and MotoSeries off and on over the last couple of years.

I'm by no means a championship caliber rider, even at the novice level, but I stay solidly mid-pack in any Advanced group, and I'm quick enough to snag a podium here or there on a light novice grid.

ANYWAY, the point of me saying all that is because the faster you become, the more expensive this whole track riding thing gets. My bike is by no means expensive ($3300 2003 600RR), but track fees are $150-$215 per day for track days, and as much or more if you race more than 1 class per weekend...

Add in the cost of increasingly better tires, and a pace that burns through those more expensive tires at a much more rapid rate than when I was a beginner, and I've basically priced myself out of racing "big" bikes. (what really killed me was buying a generator, warmers, and changing to DOT race tires all in one season... I was down $500 in hardware right away, and my rear tires only last 3 days now)

So my 600 is up for sale ($2500 race-ready if anyone is interested), and I'm buying a $1000 XR100 to race on kart tracks.

Where WERA fees are $90 for the first race, OMRL mini fees are $25-$35 for the first race. That's actually for TWO races for that class. WERA's second race is $70. OMRL's are $20 or something.

And on top of all that, you don't have to run warmers. Tires are $200/set instead of $350+. Tires last longer. The bikes crash better (lighter bikes + lower speeds = less damage).

From where I'm sitting, it's win/win/win.

So by all means, do a trackday or three on your street bike, but if you get hooked, consider racing minis instead of full-sized bikes.

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Re: Mini Moto Racing

i raced/race minimoto
these are my bikes that i've owned over the last year.








[quote author=FOG link=topic=39738.msg584730#msg584730 date=1350218865]<br />The key to cornering and EX fast is to release your death grip on the bars, let them float ,get your ass off the seat ,load all you weight on the outside peg and drive your inside knee into the tank.[/quote]
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nice! the tire options really change a ton depending on what size rim you run.

For anyone keeping track with their math, my initial estimates for costs were actually HIGH.

My bike will cost me less than $750 (i'd estimated $1000 before), and I've already bought the XR80 front wheel ($45 shipped) and new tubes and tires ($80 total. 16" scooter tires are dirt cheap!)

Racing the entire season will cost me $700 if I run two classes every race weekend, and can actually make every race weekend. That includes gate fees, transponder rental, etc.

So I can buy the bike, and race an entire season for about half of what my 600 ended up selling for. Hoping to finally get a bike to go with my wheels and tires this Saturday. If that happens, I'll be squidding it up at my buddy's office (big open parking lot, and he owns the building) by Sunday.

I'll probably be on the knobby tires still, but who cares we're going to grab some sidewalk chalk and work on laying out a practice course.

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very nice, i work at a gokart track down here in florida lol, we have big track and a family track lol.



[quote author=FOG link=topic=39738.msg584730#msg584730 date=1350218865]<br />The key to cornering and EX fast is to release your death grip on the bars, let them float ,get your ass off the seat ,load all you weight on the outside peg and drive your inside knee into the tank.[/quote]
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You could have some **** good fun on there with a MiniMoto,

Check these kid's out,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnO1E...endscreen&NR=1

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That would have been pissing me off if I was in the lead and the last guy who I was trying to lap kept getting in my way. These kids need to be taught there is such a thing as courtesy that if you getting lapped get out of the way.

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That would have been pissing me off if I was in the lead and the last guy who I was trying to lap kept getting in my way. These kids need to be taught there is such a thing as courtesy that if you getting lapped get out of the way.
You have to give them a little courtesy nudge to remind them .


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That would have been pissing me off if I was in the lead and the last guy who I was trying to lap kept getting in my way. These kids need to be taught there is such a thing as courtesy that if you getting lapped get out of the way.
You have to give them a little courtesy nudge to remind them .
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That would have been pissing me off if I was in the lead and the last guy who I was trying to lap kept getting in my way. These kids need to be taught there is such a thing as courtesy that if you getting lapped get out of the way.
Maybe during a track day, you get outta the way. during a race u'd really get outta the way? even if ur in last place getting lapped you don't just LET anyone pass.

[quote author=FOG link=topic=39738.msg584730#msg584730 date=1350218865]<br />The key to cornering and EX fast is to release your death grip on the bars, let them float ,get your ass off the seat ,load all you weight on the outside peg and drive your inside knee into the tank.[/quote]
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I thought it was a rule? In F1 you have to let people who are lapping you pass. But different racing leagues, different rules who knows? :P
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I always knew it as a courtesy rule in any racing event if you are getting lapped get on the outside to allow them to pass. If you can keep up then do it and not get lapped but that guy was clearly slowing down that lead rider. The only reason he couldn't lap in the first place was cause the last place seemed to have a good bike on the straights that rocketed off and either couldn't handle the corners or the rider couldn't either way that track was all corners definitely not the right bike or rider for it.

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Reviving this thread again after a long break.

Tomorrow is round 3 of the OMRL 2013 season.

To summarize my season thus far:

- I crashed in preseason testing (parking lot run at my teammate's business) and bruised up my thumb pretty badly.
- I missed the first race weekend because I was running the Mid-Atlantic Tough Mudder, and my teammate, JB crashed before Race 1, smashing HIS thumb worse than I had. So at the end of the first round, our team had posted a total of 0 points :P

- Round 2 was humbling. This was my first time on track with a mini. It's harder than I thought it would be. The podium guys turn 57 second laps. I crashed on the 3rd or 4th lap of practice, got up, inspected my bike, and barely managed a 1:12 in the 30-minute practice session. JB was still nursing his sore thumb, so he only did 2 races. I did 4. My times went from 1:12 in practice, to 1:09.9 in the first race, 1:09.0 in the second race, 1:07 in the third race, and my fast lap of the day in race 4 was 1:04

I took a third and three fourths (there were only 4 riders in the novice class for "Formula 4"). The third was the last race of the day. A faster rider crashed in front of me, and when he came back on track and passed me, i was able to chase him for a while. He helped me catch another rider, who I was able to battle with and pass for the last step on the podium!

If anyone wants, you can "like" our page on Facebook for more team updates, pics, general shenanigans... https://www.facebook.com/AndersonDoorRacing?fref=ts

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Bump!

Round 4 is in the books, and I recorded my first race win!

Stock XR100 heat 1: 3rd. Heat 2: 1st
Formula 4: Heat 1: 2nd. Heat 2: 3rd.

On the podium for every race, and my first weekend without laying the bike down at all :P Videos are posted on our facebook page if anyone wants to see the raw power of 100 cubic centimeters.

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