Accident prevention - Page 3 - Ex-500.com - The home of the Kawasaki EX500 / Ninja 500R
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #51 of 68 (permalink) Old 5-30-2011, 11:15 AM
stormcat
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Accident prevention

Ducks, I forgot to mention that the entire width of the lane is yours. Use it to get a better view, go around potholes, manhole covers, moose...
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #52 of 68 (permalink) Old 5-30-2011, 11:19 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 17
 
Re: Accident prevention

Quote:

I am SHOCKED that Bill and Darryl didn't practice, practice, practice this with you guys. I know them both, and have ridden off-road with Bill. They're both very conscientious riders and instructors. I took the Gearing Up course through the government down at the DMV. They drilled emergency stops in corners into us.

Since I rode around NL for 4 years, I am going to tell you right now to follow the posted speed limits in around St. John's, Mount Pearl, CBS, etc. If you follow them, you will never be too leaned over to practice an emergency stop. You would literally need to be dragging knee to be too far leaned over. Standing up a bike is not a big deal either. Moreover, if you're actually looking through a turn as far as you can, there is no reason to not be able to see what's ahead of you.

Lastly, don't ride over your head. One great place to do that is going through Petty Harbour. SLOW DOWN.

Do you ever go to Paradise Timmy's on Tuesday nights? A lot of those guys from Extremez are my friends, so I don't want to speak ill of them. But I will say they are very experienced riders and have the tendency to take some risks that I wouldn't. Even now on my 5th summer riding. That said, if you ride with any of the b'ys, just ride your own ride, and don't try to keep up.

Btw, what EX500 did you end up with? Sorry if I missed your Intro post. I'm always kind of curious to find out what happened to my '07 in Solar Yellow. I sold it to a guy named Matt in 2009, and I know he wanted to upgrade to a 600RR in short order.

EDIT: I see you bought a 2007. Does it have a small dent in the gas tank? If so, that's my old bike. My cat made that dent when he knocked a piece of vintage crystal off a shelf onto the bike. I stored it in the kitchen the first winter.

<--- Is this your bike?
I didn't have Bill/Darryl. I found the training really good but that was one of the things that we didn't cover. They may have said what to do and just not practiced it, I do tend to zone out sometimes. I've only had my permit for a week so I really haven't done much riding. Lots of laps around Logy Bay/Outer Cove/Flatrock/Pouch Cove. I was more adventurous yesterday and took Prince Philip/Columbus out past the Village and such. I don't go to Tim's or hang around with many riders (yet anyway) so I'm not too worried about going over my head by trying to keep up. I only have one rider friend and he knows that I'm pretty sketchy with this stuff so he takes it easy . I really want to do the Irish Loop if we get a nice weekend, or perhaps just venture out towards Holyrood.

My bike is the titanium colour. Got it from a guy in Foxtrap. Is this your bike? http://stjohns.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...AdIdZ273942534 . I sent an email about that one a while back but it was a bit overpriced. I think it was a guy named Steve selling it.
ducks is offline  
post #53 of 68 (permalink) Old 5-30-2011, 11:40 AM
stormcat
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Accident prevention

Not teaching you guys about emergency stops in corners in NL of all places is a massive frickin' oversight!

I don't think that's my bike unless someone replaced the tank. Like I said, mine had a small dent on it. Right on the top, so hard to miss. That guy is selling that '07 for about what I got for mine when I sold it in 2009. Ridiculous! There are three '07 in Solar Yellow on the island. But that's not my Mr. Ted Takashima. I kind of get the feeling the guy I sold mine to trashed it.

The Loop is killer on the lower back. Watch for caribou herds down at the lower part of the loop. There is also a large section of the loop with no gas stations, so gas up when you can. One section is actually a road that goes over the ocean, and it is sometimes closed because of waves crashing over it. The good parts: stop for fish 'n' chips at the diner (it's in the North Atlantic lot) when you get to Witless Bay Line. I've heard they're good. Don't forget to stop at the base of the Loop at the visitor centre and take a pic.

Have they reopened the back road from Holyrood to Bay Roberts yet? It was closed all last summer for resurfacing. That's also a nice, little ride and you can stop in Brigus. I loved Brigus. There are more loop rides as well. Old Perlican Loop is one and it's not as long as the Irish Loop. Here's a vid of me and my ex riding it last summer:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_EKAHcBfPA



Enjoy riding in NL. I don't live there anymore, so I'm jealous of the roads you get to travel.
 
post #54 of 68 (permalink) Old 5-30-2011, 11:44 AM
Senior Member
 
00ninja's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 11,006
 
Garage
Re: Accident prevention

Quote:
Originally Posted by stormcat
<--- Is this your bike?
Okay......that is awesome!

My next house will have a finished walkout basement so I can park my bike(s) inside during the winter.

Current: 2015 Ducati Scrambler Full Throttle ("Scrambled Eggs")
Previous: 2000 Ebony Ninja 500R ("Nina")(2009-2016)
00ninja is offline  
post #55 of 68 (permalink) Old 5-30-2011, 6:58 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Richardson, TX
Posts: 1,764
 
Re: Accident prevention

In the MSF-BRC there is no emergency brake while in a corner...but there is the stop while in a corner...Stand the bike up and brake.

If your in a corner...and not at max lean...you can use your front brake...be gentle with it...no jabbing...squeeze...but if you need to emergency brake...stand it up straight and squeeze...

1998 Triumph Thunderbird Sport(885 Triple) yellow&blk
2004 Honda CRF230F (Street Legal)
2003 Suzuki V-Strom DL1000
Wrecked-2000 Triumph Thunderbird Sport(885 Triple)-Wrecked on the Dragon
Sold 2007 Ex-500 Metallic Titanium-Still running with 30,000+ miles
and Yes I'm ATGATT even at 105F
8BIT ME
House_of_Dexter is offline  
post #56 of 68 (permalink) Old 5-30-2011, 7:16 PM
stormcat
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Accident prevention

Quote:
Originally Posted by House_of_Dexter
In the MSF-BRC there is no emergency brake while in a corner
They teach this in the NL course. Probably because 99% of the roads are twisties and sweepers. Lots of moose, b'y. Ya gots ta be prepared, right?
post #57 of 68 (permalink) Old 6-15-2011, 11:24 AM
stormcat
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Accident prevention

So Ducks, I looked into this and no wonder you were not taught how to emergency brake in corners. Darrell walked away from Two Guys Training and rumour has it Bill left it to a guy who has only been riding since 2005. What a shame for that to happen. Bill and Darrell were great instructors. Although Bill did like to yell at me a lot.
post #58 of 68 (permalink) Old 11-22-2011, 5:59 PM
Senior Member
 
slvr720's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 878
 
Re: Accident prevention

Quote:
Originally Posted by roxynoodle
...
4. Don't ride if you are tired, sick, emotional or under the influence. Ever. You need to be paying 100% attention to everything going on around you.
...
Words to live by... and I would add Hungry to that list as well.

On 10/15 I went out for a ride that changed my life...
I had worked 1/2 a day, got home (in the cage) and decided to take a ride to get some lunch. I was wound-up and aggravated from work, and hungry too; I hadn't eaten since supper the day before. (not uncommon for me at all)
At about 40mph I experienced a brief black out, which docs chalked-up to a fluctuation in blood sugar. I snapped to just before my front tire crossed the white line coming into a curve to the left. Somehow I had the time and forethought to aim for a space between 2 trees. Unfortunately they were too close, the bike & I contacted both trees. That threw me from the bike... I landed with my back against a 3rd tree and the bike followed me, hitting and pinning me to the 3rd tree. It pretty much went downhill from there.
Now fast forward 5 weeks, I still rely on a wheelchair and have a laundry list of issues, some will be permanent.
Moral of the story? Follow "#4" plus keep hunger in mind, as they are some of the few variables we have control over

1993 EX500...&nbsp; NOT an appropriate piece of equipment for tree removal...
slvr720 is offline  
post #59 of 68 (permalink) Old 11-22-2011, 6:08 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7,733
 
Re: Accident prevention

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slvr720
Quote:
Originally Posted by roxynoodle
...
4. Don't ride if you are tired, sick, emotional or under the influence. Ever. You need to be paying 100% attention to everything going on around you.
...
Words to live by... and I would add Hungry to that list as well.

On 10/15 I went out for a ride that changed my life...
I had worked 1/2 a day, got home (in the cage) and decided to take a ride to get some lunch. I was wound-up and aggravated from work, and hungry too; I hadn't eaten since supper the day before. (not uncommon for me at all)
At about 40mph I experienced a brief black out, which docs chalked-up to a fluctuation in blood sugar. I snapped to just before my front tire crossed the white line coming into a curve to the left. Somehow I had the time and forethought to aim for a space between 2 trees. Unfortunately they were too close, the bike & I contacted both trees. That threw me from the bike... I landed with my back against a 3rd tree and the bike followed me, hitting and pinning me to the 3rd tree. It pretty much went downhill from there.
Now fast forward 5 weeks, I still rely on a wheelchair and have a laundry list of issues, some will be permanent.
Moral of the story? Follow "#4" plus keep hunger in mind, as they are some of the few variables we have control over
Mam, sorry to hear that. Hope the permanent damage is limited, take care of yourself. I hope others learn from your experience.




\\\\\\\"Be advised, all of my instructions are personal experiences, and not necessarily correct or without errors. I reserve the right to be wrong!!\\\\\\\"
VICIOINA is offline  
post #60 of 68 (permalink) Old 11-23-2011, 11:50 AM
Senior Member
 
slvr720's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 878
 
Re: Accident prevention

Quote:
Originally Posted by VICIOINA
Mam, sorry to hear that. Hope the permanent damage is limited, take care of yourself. I hope others learn from your experience.
That would be a very good thing. As far as my issues go, I'm still recovering... to what point is unknown. Docs tell me I should have 60% overall function in my left hand, but I've convinced myself they are low-balling me. I'm going to push for more... but my arm is another story. It will not go past 40, as at 30 my elbow dislocates.
C'est la vie right? I'm lucky to be here & have what I have; I wanted to share my story so maybe someone else won't make the same mistakes

1993 EX500...&nbsp; NOT an appropriate piece of equipment for tree removal...
slvr720 is offline  
post #61 of 68 (permalink) Old 11-23-2011, 11:59 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7,733
 
Re: Accident prevention

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slvr720
Quote:
Originally Posted by VICIOINA
Mam, sorry to hear that. Hope the permanent damage is limited, take care of yourself. I hope others learn from your experience.
That would be a very good thing. As far as my issues go, I'm still recovering... to what point is unknown. Docs tell me I should have 60% overall function in my left hand, but I've convinced myself they are low-balling me. I'm going to push for more... but my arm is another story. It will not go past 40, as at 30 my elbow dislocates.
C'est la vie right? I'm lucky to be here & have what I have; I wanted to share my story so maybe someone else won't make the same mistakes
OPS!!! That was man not mam. I'm glad you kept your good outlook throughout this ordeal. Good luck with recovery and I hope you can still ride.




\\\\\\\"Be advised, all of my instructions are personal experiences, and not necessarily correct or without errors. I reserve the right to be wrong!!\\\\\\\"
VICIOINA is offline  
post #62 of 68 (permalink) Old 5-11-2012, 8:07 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 93
 
Re: Accident prevention

Hey Slvr...

So sorry to hear what happened to you, but glad you lived through it. That's absolutely terrible. Hope you recover as much as possible! This should be a lesson for everyone that one simple mistake can have drastic consequences.

I've only been driving a bike for 1.5 years (I'm 21) and I've already seen two guys crash and die... (both caused by cagers). Definitely makes me much more of a defensive driver than I would have been without the knowledge gained from those experiences.

Thanks for sharing your story, I'll definitely make sure to think twice before riding on an empty stomach.
joshb003 is offline  
post #63 of 68 (permalink) Old 6-27-2012, 11:19 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 162
 
Re: Accident prevention

Great post. I was given advice from an old rider. Here's what he said: Everytime you swing your leg over your bike this one thought should go through your mind. Someone somewhere woke up this morning and said "You know what? If I see (insert your name here) riding their motorcycle today I'm gonna do my best to kill them." I know it sounds pretty harsh but we all know what he was saying.
jamesky780 is offline  
post #64 of 68 (permalink) Old 6-27-2012, 4:35 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 162
 
Re: Accident prevention

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slvr720
Quote:
Originally Posted by roxynoodle
...
4. Don't ride if you are tired, sick, emotional or under the influence. Ever. You need to be paying 100% attention to everything going on around you.
...
Words to live by... and I would add Hungry to that list as well.

On 10/15 I went out for a ride that changed my life...
I had worked 1/2 a day, got home (in the cage) and decided to take a ride to get some lunch. I was wound-up and aggravated from work, and hungry too; I hadn't eaten since supper the day before. (not uncommon for me at all)
At about 40mph I experienced a brief black out, which docs chalked-up to a fluctuation in blood sugar. I snapped to just before my front tire crossed the white line coming into a curve to the left. Somehow I had the time and forethought to aim for a space between 2 trees. Unfortunately they were too close, the bike & I contacted both trees. That threw me from the bike... I landed with my back against a 3rd tree and the bike followed me, hitting and pinning me to the 3rd tree. It pretty much went downhill from there.
Now fast forward 5 weeks, I still rely on a wheelchair and have a laundry list of issues, some will be permanent.
Moral of the story? Follow "#4" plus keep hunger in mind, as they are some of the few variables we have control over
Thank you for your story and hope your recovery gets better with each day. Thats one thing we never think about, how hungry we are. No doubt every one of us on here have gone for a ride when we probably shouldnt have. I have several members of my family that are diabetic and understand the importance of eating and what it can do if you dont. Just remember EVERYBODY, slow down for a minute and relax before jumping on your bike. This unfortunate story puts it all in perspective for me and I will certainly think before I ride.
jamesky780 is offline  
post #65 of 68 (permalink) Old 6-27-2012, 5:36 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 804
 
Re: Accident prevention

I was riding the other day and came up next to an older gentleman on a well used goldwing. I assume he had owned it for some time as his gear looked to match the bike...

I was watching him ride and checking out the bike a bit (thanks to my mirror shield). We came up on a light and we started to slow me on his right in the next lane. I was surprised that even with us going fairly quick with the approaching light that he was not braking. I did not see the bike doing any engine braking either.

I came clear to me when I looked down and he was stepping hard on the rear brake. I thought man that is bad news with that 750 pound bike. It was obvious that was the way he always did it.

I started thinking, accident numbers and the danger associated with bikes is kind of skewed. Not just this guy but others who do the wrong things all the time just waiting for the day. It might be going faster than they should in an area with side streets and intersections, riding too fast, or hot into corners, riding next to vehicles, in blind spots or close behind a vehicle so the car turning left can't see you...

All of this with the fact that most people ride only half the year and then only on nice days or trips so they never really get enough practise.

Clearly you can get mowed down no matter how diligent but I bet the numbers would be drastically different with these subtle changes.

2006 Ninja 500R (Green).<br /><br />**650 mirrors, 17t sprocket**<br /><br />
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
stephenmarklay is offline  
post #66 of 68 (permalink) Old 7-3-2012, 7:40 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 479
 
Re: Accident prevention

Quote:
Originally Posted by epThorn
Quote:
Originally Posted by House_of_Dexter
If I see a car that may turn in front of me...I stand on my pegs...It makes you stand out and get noticed...
cops notice too
Is it illegal to ride standing up?
tokempole is offline  
post #67 of 68 (permalink) Old 7-9-2012, 3:04 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 162
 
Re: Accident prevention

Slvr720 told their story of what can happen if you ride when hungry and the unfortunate outcome that can happen. Another thing to add is keeping yourself hydrated. For those of you who live in the eastern part of the states, we've experienced nasty hot weather from the past 10-12 days. A friend of mine wanted me to go riding with him to Corydon Indiana to his Dad's house, little over an hour ride from where I am in Kentucky. I decline because it was way too hot. That was on saturday June 7th. The high in our area was 106 without factoring in the heat index. Him and his Dad started their ride back to Ky when after about 40 minutes into the ride his Dad told him he had to stop, he said he wasnt feeling good. It took him over an hour to recover and not even a complete recovery. When they got to my friends house his Dad had to call his wife to pick him up because he was unable to ride. Dr said he experienced heat exhaustion. So, remember to hydrate BUT also remember that just because your moving that doesnt mean you will be okay and cool down. The air hitting you is keeping you from sweating and will cause your core temp to go up. Took my friends Dad the rest of the day and all day sunday to recover. I bought a 2 litre hydration system today that straps to your back like a back pack. Im always drinking water and got tired of spending a bunch of money on bottle water and stopping frequently to buy it. Hopefully it'll work out.
jamesky780 is offline  
post #68 of 68 (permalink) Old 5-1-2013, 12:32 AM
Member
 
orejass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 52
 
Garage
Re: Accident prevention

Wonderfull post.

Ive been riding for 3 years and I've had 4 crashes (one of them was slipping on mud, lol). Three crashed were caused by other drivers being irresponsible.

What I have noticed is that lately there have been way too many crashes in my city than I would like to admit.
All superbikes, all newbies showing off or young riders trying to keep up with the older/experienced guys. Or, new riders buying bikes way to powerful to start out with.

Just in the past month there were 6 deaths...

I'm no pro, but I always ask or read up if I feel weird handling, mechanical issues, driving tips, what to do in a crash, all that stuff. I even try and get input from fellow riders on how they thought my riding was after a long trip. If you really have friends in a group, you will get good feedback, and you will improve your riding.

Reading, watching videos, getting feedback, practicing: this ALL improves your technique and confidence in your riding.

ALWAYS keep you bike in tune, give it love and it will love you back.
ALWAYS be aware of your surroundings; sometimes the most familiar streets and turns can become a major danger when we get too familiar. a slight change can be dangerous.
BE PREPARED, anything can happen.
LEARN from your mistakes, and apply what you learn. Be interactive with your techniques. Nothing is written in stone; even MotoGP riders learn every race and keep improving their riding.

Riding a bike is our choice, and each time we do it we must accept everything that comes along with it, with no exceptions. Enjoy the good, learn from the bad.

Lets all hope that each time we fall we can learn and tell the tale.

wkn
orejass is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Ex-500.com - The home of the Kawasaki EX500 / Ninja 500R forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome