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post #1 of 32 (permalink) Old 9-25-2019, 10:54 AM Thread Starter
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Got Screwed Over, Looking for Advice

Hello,

First off, I'm new here, so this may be in the wrong spot on the forums. I've used this site to help me do some repairs but I've never actually posted on it.

Long story short, I ended up getting screwed over by some guy when I got a 1993 EX500 off of him and I will not be getting the papers from him. I've already had to put some money into it to fix it, and I want to get papers to make it road legal. I live in NS, Canada, in case it matters for any of this.

Is there anything I can do to make this bike road legal, short of getting papers from him? That would be next to impossible. I was thinking of trying to find a junked EX500 and swap my parts over onto a frame with papers. What model years would work? I was talking to someone about a parts bike and almost bought it, but realized its a 1988 Ninja 600 - would this be built on the same frame?

Thanks for any advice you can give me,

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You need to find a gen 1 parts bike so all of the fairings fit, 1988-1993 ex500. Im not sure of your budget or what you paied for yours but the ones on facebook marketplace range from 1500 to 3000 and all sema to be gen to. You may need to travel and or internet search a bit to find a gen one in your area.

A gen to with a blown motor would be a simple motor swap, most parts are interchangable but not everything. Fairings, handlebar bits, rear brakes, wheel and tire size, etc...

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I got a 1993 EX500 off of him and I will not be getting the papers from him.
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How on earth did you allow this to happen? Papers at time of transaction, no papers, no cash. Period.

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Contact the CMP. They most certainly deal with this from time to time. It might be easier than you think.

I finally figured out why I like Ducatis: With their exhaust note and dry clutch, they sound almost like a Guzzi!
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Where I'm at you don't even need a title to register a vehicle over 25 years old.

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How on earth did you allow this to happen? Papers at time of transaction, no papers, no cash. Period.

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Contact the CMP. They most certainly deal with this from time to time. It might be easier than you think.
Good advice, its what I was thinking. I still have the papers for the car I traded for the bike in my name, so at the very least ill get my car back. I doubt ill get papers in either case, so a swap seems more likely.
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You need to find a gen 1 parts bike so all of the fairings fit, 1988-1993 ex500. Im not sure of your budget or what you paied for yours but the ones on facebook marketplace range from 1500 to 3000 and all sema to be gen to. You may need to travel and or internet search a bit to find a gen one in your area.

A gen to with a blown motor would be a simple motor swap, most parts are interchangable but not everything. Fairings, handlebar bits, rear brakes, wheel and tire size, etc...
Awesome thanks, ill start looking around
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Maybe these guys know the answer:
Nova Scotia Registry of Motor Vehicles
I can't post links because I'm a noobie here
but search "novascotia ca sns rmv registration"
and you will find the web page.

You will probably need some kind of proof you bought it, like a bill of sale. Maybe you could have them look up the VIN to see what the status of the bike is.
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Thank you so much for your useless addition!
perhaps you missed...."a certain learning experience going forward"

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Thank you so much for your useless addition!

tsbrett, welcome to the forum! Sorry to hear about your issues of registering your EX.

Love to see new members on here but get to know those on this site, especially those that have been here for many, MANY years!!!

No hard feelings but Ducatiman is right, even though it's hind sight. And what he posted is good "advice", something on which you were asking for!

That said, tomorrow's another day so join in the conversations and enjoy the site and everyone on here (except me, because I'm an a-hole! ) and let us know how you remedy this.

And for what it's worth, I'd listen to the others that say to try your DMV or whatever Canadians have that may have alternative routes to registering vehicles in your case. May simply be filling out some paperwork and submitting proof of purchase.

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tsbrett, welcome to the forum! Sorry to hear about your issues of registering your EX.

Love to see new members on here but get to know those on this site, especially those that have been here for many, MANY years!!!

No hard feelings but Ducatiman is right, even though it's hind sight. And what he posted is good "advice", something on which you were asking for!

That said, tomorrow's another day so join in the conversations and enjoy the site and everyone on here (except me, because I'm an a-hole! ) and let us know how you remedy this.

And for what it's worth, I'd listen to the others that say to try your DMV or whatever Canadians have that may have alternative routes to registering vehicles in your case. May simply be filling out some paperwork and submitting proof of purchase.

Good luck!
Thank you! Definitely wasn't expecting such quick responses from so many people, glad to see its active. We have some garbage called "Access Nova Scotia" here, and as much as it sucks that's where I will spend most of tomorrow trying to figure this out.

I knew I would be taking a chance on the EX, but considering I got it for next to nothing it was a risk I was absolutely willing to take. The whole situation was slightly sketchy, and my chances of getting papers for this actual VIN is not likely, hence trying to find a new frame with some papers for it.

I'm sure ducatiman was trying to help, but there's no way to read what he wrote without it coming off as condescending. I wasn't asking for advice on what to do in the future, I just felt like seeing what happened with this bike, and I purposely left out information to try and avoid comments like that.

But again, thank you to everyone who helped, ill let you know how it goes!
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We are civil here. Honestly, from an old guy, if getting jacked on this EX is the worst that ever happens to you, you are blessed. Still, you have some really good links to follow. So what if it takes a day or three to sort out? It's a big deal now, but will soon become only a deal.

I finally figured out why I like Ducatis: With their exhaust note and dry clutch, they sound almost like a Guzzi!

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I bought TWO EX250s bike-in-boxes from storage-auction for peanuts many moons ago. Only catch was they had zero paperwork. All I got was receipt from storage outfit, not even bill-of-sale. Simply because they can't fill out "owner" sections of DMV bill-of-sale because they aren't actual owners and they don't have title in their name.

So.... I was able to get one titled and registered in Vermont due to lax regulations there. Then after year, I was able to transfer one bike to CA and get it properly titled. Second bike I left in boxes and gave away as EX250 DIY "kit". There may be some tricks like this up north...

https://advrider.com/f/threads/how-t...o-title.655441
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All good info and once ytou figure out the papers you be talking to ducatiman about how to fix your carbs (bet you $1), I was going to mention vermont but he is in canada so I dont know if it works that way?

Find yourself a good frame for $150 or so and get your tools out.

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I'm sure ducatiman was trying to help, but there's no way to read what he wrote without it coming off as condescending. I wasn't asking for advice on what to do in the future, I just felt like seeing what happened with this bike, and I purposely left out information to try and avoid comments like that.
As I'm being demonized here.....some clarity. My initial statement and question broke no forum rules, contained no name calling, legitimate, pertinent and on topic. Simply open discussion...this IS an internet discussion forum which you voluntarily posted in, no?

You then state above "wasn't asking for advise"...yet the title of your thread "got screwed over, looking for advise"

"I purposely left out information to try and avoid comments like that"..... purposely unclear and in doing so, deeper questioning was inevitable as to how you put yourself in such a position.

Mine a truly fair question...and never clearly addressed.

Good luck, hope you sort it out.

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First thing I would do is have the local constabulary run the VIN to see if it's listed as stolen.
If it isn't, the next stop is the MTO for a used vehicle package, to see who the bike IS registered to.
Try to contact the last REGISTERED owner. I am willing to bet the guy you bought the bike from is not the registered owner.
Here in Ontario, if I cannot reach the registered owner (you need documentation that you tried) the MTO has a procedure where you can swear an affidavit that you bought the bike in good faith, it is not listed as stolen and you made reasonable efforts to contact the registered owner, and they'll cut you an ownership.


Nah.... the FIRST thing I would do: Lose some of the attitude.
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I am in a similar predicament. I got a 93 with 11, 000 on the clock. No title or bill of sale. Bike has changed hands 3 times in the last 10 years without being registered. Last registered owner died 4 years ago. I've checked with highway patrol in my state, it's not stolen. My next move is to file for a "quiet title" in my state(kansas). Next I'll need to make an attempt to notify previous owner, either certified letter or 3 separate notices in local paper giving the previous owner approximately 41 days to respond. If no one answers the court will award me a title. That being said, someone cannibalize a few parts so I need to locate and acquire all that is missing then I can start to figure out if anything is no longer working. I've never rode or built a bike before so I'm both excited and a bit intimidated about the whole process. I'll be relying on this site and it's members quite a bit in the coming months. Btw, I'm in kansas city, any members near me make yourself known so I can pick your brain from time to time.
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boy is that complicated. over here you fill in a form [V10] and submit it to the DMV [DVLA] they check all the details of the vehicle and if all is in order sent you a new title in your name. [takes about 4 weeks].
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Here you pretty much just have to give them extra money.
It's always about the money.
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Here you pretty much just have to give them extra money.
It's always about the money.
C'mon.. here in Mexico/USA border no body cares about motorcycles papers. Even if it doesn't have plates. Just be sure it's not stolen, because if owner got you, you'll get beaten by his MC.

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Here you pretty much just have to give them extra money.
It's always about the money.
Ha, Georgia is probably the state with the least care when it comes to titles.
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Wait so you traded your car for the bike, didnt get a title for bike and still have the car? That doesnt even make sense but if it is the case, then you actually came out on top. But i dont really believe that scenario.


Id ride it on the road without papers if you can get it insured somehow
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Id ride it on the road without papers if you can get it insured somehow
And a registration/licence plate would come from...?

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Ha, Georgia is probably the state with the least care when it comes to titles.
Decades ago, I attended monthly vehicle theft seminars. Some of it was primarily to recover insurance losses. The "word" at that time was that Oregon and Georgia were the easiest of all states in which to license a vehicle with few or questionable papers. A rumor back then was that, as a joke, one agent was actually able to register and license an elephant for the street in Oregon.

Honestly, if the bike is not in the system as a stolen, and you have a credible bill of sale, you should be able to apply for a lost title and go from there. Somewhat more risky is to conduct a vehicle records search for the owner of record and contact that person to determine the status of the bike.. Who knows, they may have the title.

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