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there'd be more miles but i'm I'm staying off it....I'm so embarrassed due to the unsightly tailpiece...
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Once the tail tidy is on, I'll post a pic. The basic machine is well designed, modern electronics, a light, competent handler and a looker. Riding position near perfect, sporty yet capable of all day ride. Just that *darn tail* gotta go.

Impressive Honda engineering so advanced, *long* interval maintenance requirements, minimally invasive till 24,000 (of course above and beyond the usual tire pressures, chain maintenance)

Oil/filter at 600, followed by 8000 mi intervals
Air filter automatic replace at 12,000 interval
Iridium spark plug replace at 32,000 interval
Valve clearance check at 24,000 interval
Brake fluid change 2 years
Coolant change 3 years

Further digesting the factory service manual I received today.
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Oil/filter at 600, followed by 8000 mi intervals
What do you reckon about that OCI?

Honda know a lot more about engines than I ever will, but I'd still thinking I'd be changing my oil at twice their suggested frequency. Every one of the many bikes I've ever owned has pulverized oil (even synthetic) by 3K.

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Agreed, 8K a bit far fetched. My normal habit is a yearly full change at beginning of every riding season assuring no worries... ...another mid or late season depending on mileage.

Splitting riding time among 4 bikes now may change the plan somewhat, dunno, to be determined.

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I follow that yearly schedule with my bikes as well. Turns out to be 4-6K-miles. Although one year I did make it up to 8K-miles mark on CBR600RR.

Another example is my ‘86 VF500 which I’ve had since ‘87. Being punk know-it-all kid, I just tossed in whatever 10w40 non-synthetic motor oil local car-parts place had on sale. Around 12-yr/50K-mile mark with no troubles whatsoever, I holed piston & snapped rod due to running lean from clogged #3 carb. I figured I’d get serious about maintenance and rebuild engine. Measured every possible part that could wear: pistons, rings, valves, cams, bearings, etc. Worse of them all was rod-bearings at about 40% worn! So I don’t doubt Honda’s OCI at all; especially if you use good oil like Motul or Motorex.

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Agreed with modern oils coupled with their engine tech and spec...their OCI is perfectly doable. Modern times, baby.

The factory service manual actually notates NORMAL acceptable replace at 1 year interval as well.

So 8,000 or 1 year is their official interval, literally going by the book. So a seasonal change meets criteria. Seriously doubt I'll be doing 8K in a year splitting seat time between 4 rides.

@Devilsfan I hope you are ok with this (your) thread taking a service turn? Still on topic of CB/CBR and fully applies to yours as well.

Hey...how many miles you piling on there now? Have you done or approaching your 1st oil/filter change?

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Agreed with modern oils coupled with their engine tech and spec...their OCI is perfectly doable. Modern times, baby.

The factory service manual actually notates NORMAL acceptable replace at 1 year interval as well.

So 8,000 or 1 year is their official interval, literally going by the book. So a seasonal change meets criteria. Seriously doubt I'll be doing 8K in a year splitting seat time between 4 rides.

@Devilsfan I hope you are ok with this (your) thread taking a service turn? Still on topic of CB/CBR and fully applies to yours as well.

Hey...how many miles you piling on there now? Have you done or approaching your 1st oil/filter change?

Heck, I'm coming up on 3K miles. Would be more if it wasn't for the constant rainy days. Even today I'm going to try and get a few miles in...through the raindrops.

And, no, I have no problems with this thread going anywhere! It's a Kawasaki EX500 site so one thread about the Honda CB/R's can tackle every subject about it as far as I'm concerned! Even pics of hot babes on the CB650F/R!!!
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But you did your initial 600 mile break-in oil/filter change, yes? DIY or shop do it?

I'm back working on "the Pile", dedicated the whole day today....whatever it takes. That is another story in itself, covered elsewhere.

Figured its a good CB/CBR platform, just looking for your approval as official thread starter.
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But you did your initial 600 mile break-in oil/filter change, yes? DIY or shop do it?
Break in period?!?! Does that mean no wheelies and stoppies within the first 600 miles?!?!

Yes, I did my oil and filter change at 554 miles...DIY

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I'm back working on "the Pile", dedicated the whole day today....whatever it takes. That is another story in itself, covered elsewhere.

Figured its a good CB/CBR platform, just looking for your approval as official thread starter.

Me...I'm easy! Post whatever you want on this thread. If I don't like it I'll have to complain to the moderator!
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But you did your initial 600 mile break-in oil/filter change, yes? DIY or shop do it?
Don't you have to have the dealer do this while it is under warranty? For verification, in order to not void the warranty.

When my EX was under warranty, I would bring it to the dealer for scheduled maintenance. But then I would sneak in an extra oil change at 2k intervals . Schedule calls for 4k intervals, and I'm not going for that .

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Installed Pro Grip 719 (in red of course) on my Honda tonight. Their "dual density" design softer than the stockers, perfect fit and look great to boot.

I'll do my own oil/filter at 600 ....buying both at my dealer, saving receipt and documenting exact mileage done.

@Devilsfan have you read of any significant CB/CBR engine or electrical failures (warranty or not) on the other forum?
I haven't.

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Don't you have to have the dealer do this while it is under warranty? For verification, in order to not void the warranty.

When my EX was under warranty, I would bring it to the dealer for scheduled maintenance. But then I would sneak in an extra oil change at 2k intervals . Schedule calls for 4k intervals, and I'm not going for that .

I talked with my dealership and the manager told me it was NOT going to void any warranties to do the first oil change. He said to just document what you did and when you did it. I went one better...I video'd the mileage, the oil and filter (Honda brand) and me draining and filling.


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Installed Pro Grip 719 (in red of course) on my Honda tonight. Their "dual density" design softer than the stockers, perfect fit and look great to boot.
I think those are the ones I put on my EX. Have you ever used the Pro Grip 714's? I was looking at them as they appear to have an almost sideways-oval shape and I'm thinking they may be more anti-vibration.


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I'll do my own oil/filter at 600 ....buying both at my dealer, saving receipt and documenting exact mileage done.

@Devilsfan have you read of any significant CB/CBR engine or electrical failures (warranty or not) on the other forum?
I haven't.

Haven't seen anything as of yet. I normally look at this website:

https://howtune.com/recalls/honda/

This site has everything - cars and motorcycles. But I'm not seeing anything for the newer CB/R650's, so that's a good thing!
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change to the "dual density" 719 instantly softer, less vibes for me today. These are my go-to grip, visible in pics taken on todays ride. Never tried, nor needed to try, another.

Up to 370 miles on the ODO! I'll be thinkin' trade-in soon.

I saw myself today! A guy on same bike, opposite direction in traffic...no ability to stop, chat, compare notes.

Thank you @Devilsfan for inspiring this purchase, referring right back to post #1 in this thread. I'm finding this thing way up on the fun meter, checking all the boxes, fulfilling my needs perfectly. Still have yet to explore the upper third of the tach. Viva la difference Honda!

Only negative is dealing with the constant "tailpiece abuse" I'm experiencing. But not for long.
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Next time I'm at the shop I'll check out what model grips they have.

As for that tail...ya know, sometimes I look at the entire bike and think it looks OK. Other times, it looks like it just doesn't belong there.
Maybe the fairing model that you have looks better without. The naked model, I can live with it on, especially when I get caught in rain I'm going to appreciate it!
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The tail gives it character.
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opted to use the old Duc on my normal 40 mile ride this morning. Wow, from a different era....not bad, mind you, but different.
The 25 year old Duc much more raw and "unrefined" as the new Honda. Flywheel effect requiring some clutch slippage, old air cooled engine noisy, but still great fun factor.

More to follow,
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opted to use the old Duc on my normal 40 mile ride this morning. Wow, from a different era....not bad, mind you, but different.
The 25 year old Duc much more raw and "unrefined" as the new Honda. Flywheel effect requiring some clutch slippage, old air cooled engine noisy, but still great fun factor.

More to follow,

Nice!

Sometimes ya just gotta jump on the "old one"! Like when I had my brand new Versys...and then the old EX. Loved that new one but just couldn't resist the old one. It was rough and rugged but just felt great and almost put an extra "excitement factor" into the entire ride experience. Riding the EX, knowing anything could break down at any time and leave me stranded almost gave me that extra push to put that Ninja through the ringer!!! And it performed flawlessly.

Old isn't always "outdated"!
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I had cut my comparison post way short yesterday. Please allow me to continue where I left off......

The 25 year old Duc much more raw and "unrefined" as the new Honda. Flywheel effect requiring some clutch slippage, old air cooled, dry clutch engine mechanically noisy in comparo but still great fun factor. In my favored riding environment...low speed up/down elevation changes, tree overgrown, shady, small twisting backroads....usually exclusive to 2nd gear...low RPM, on -off throttle sometimes lugging, sometimes even coasting...playing the torque of the old carbed L twin....right from the bottom. Fun stuff!

The Honda, OTOH smooth as silk, extremely quiet.....current tech MODERN, of course.... in same riding environment I'm using 3rd gear...a bit higher in the RPM range, but same on/off throttle transitions required. And the I-4 fun factor way up there. So smooth!

The Ducati Brembo brakes a bit better than the Honda Nissin...both good but the Duc *really* responsive to both instant initial and varying input. Further wear and break in required on the Nissins maybe? I'd think so at only 400 miles.

Handling, tip in , stability gotta go to the Duc, though the Honda not far behind. Both lightweights, very responsive to quick input light and aggressive. Both way up in fun factor. Precisely why I opted for the smaller displacement and near equal light weight of the Honda.
Extreme lean? Dunno, both really stick, stable, predictable. Can't fault either.

Honda wins hands down in the instrument comparo....LED and computer interactive. Gear indicator? Never thought I'd see one. It computes MPG's! Various information on 5 or 6 different levels at the press of the select and set buttons.
The Duc a speedo, tach, odo and tripmeter....old school at best.

Tires...the Honda Dunlops 204? ok in my mildly aggressive manners. Michelins Pilot? on the Duc excellent, predictable.

Slab side Duc more prone to side winds than the modern aero Honda.

Could go on and on but will spare the masses....bottom line BOTH are really fun, different in their personalities and delivery...but both stand on their own in competency. Gonna be tough picking the key to go in the ignition going forward.
And in cooler weather...the warm and super comfy VFR always in the running for those longer trips out east.
The newer Ducati requires some clip-on raising mods....my winter project.

In any event...no regrets to adding ultra-modern Honda tech to the garage. Super fun factor, right up there with the rest, the I4 perfectly complimenting the twins and V4.

Viva la difference!
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FINALLY...got a chance to ride a little. This is Florida's hurricane season which means, if it ain't hurricane-in' then it's ALWAYS rain'in!



So after errands I got home and took a little jaunt to get some lunch before today's rain storms came in. Three things:



1) Why I have a dash camera:


(Still can't get the time stamp to work.)



2) ALWAYS be aware of your surroundings! Notice how this young lady merged and then, after I beeped, she noticed...but STILL came into my lane! When I rode by she had her hands over her forehead and she got my middle finger. Luckily, I "kind of" saw that something might occur...so I mentally prepared.



3) It felt SOOO NICE to get on the bike, even if just for a little bit! It's been over a week since I rode and I'm still loving the CB!
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