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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 6-27-2010, 7:20 PM Thread Starter
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Error in pdf file regarding adjustment of valves

I think there is an error in this pdf

https://www.ex-500.com/files/2006_EX5...Adjustment.pdf

The author describes and in a photo shows the use of the "F" mark on the flywheel to do this procedure. The Kawasaki factory, Clymer, and Haynes manuals all say to use the "T" and "C" marks.

The "F" mark is used for testing the timing at idle and indicates 10 degrees BTDC. The crankshaft as viewed from the left side turns clockwise with the "F" mark appearing just before the "T" mark. The "F" mark can be seen directly in the middle of the window if a timing light is used at the factory idle speed of 1,200 rpm.
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Re: Error in pdf file regarding adjustment of valves

Yeah, this error was mentioned by someone else who was in the process of editing the PDF file, but hasn't finished it.

This needs to be taken care of. The original PDF author is MIA.
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Re: Error in pdf file regarding adjustment of valves

If you want to give me a list of changes I can re-author a new version. Anyone with adobe acrobat pro can, I'm just offering

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Re: Error in pdf file regarding adjustment of valves

Change the "F" mark reference to "T" mark in Step 20 in the PDF (page 12).

I'm going to open photoshop right now and change the "F" mark images.
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Ok I've attached the picture to this post.

Only part that troubles me is Step 22 at this point. The mark on the camshaft sprocket might not line up like that anymore.
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Re: Error in pdf file regarding adjustment of valves

I thought consensus was to ignore the marks because they are different and judge accordingly by valve position.
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Re: Error in pdf file regarding adjustment of valves

yeah. when the lobes point up you're good to go. dont overthink it
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yeah. when the lobes point up you're good to go. dont overthink it
This. I would just get rid of the lining up the letters thing completely. stems a lot of confusion.
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I thought consensus was to ignore the marks because they are different and judge accordingly by valve position.
You're asking people who know shit about shit to "judge accordingly." That's no good.

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Do it already, and tell Knightslugger so he can change the Admin post in the How-To section.
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Re: Error in pdf file regarding adjustment of valves

was waiting for a consensus between your three.
I'll do it today or tomorrow.

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Re: Error in pdf file regarding adjustment of valves

please do let me know when it's ready.

you can e-mail it to me when it's finished.


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And then we'll need someone to re-link it at the Wiki article which, btw, is an incomplete article that kinda stops short and then just links to the PDF and video. I think the PDF info should just be transferred into the Wiki in general, but still kept as a downloadable file as well for printout purposes.
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And then we'll need someone to re-link it at the Wiki article which, btw, is an incomplete article that kinda stops short and then just links to the PDF and video. I think the PDF info should just be transferred into the Wiki in general, but still kept as a downloadable file as well for printout purposes.
I agree.


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Re: Error in pdf file regarding adjustment of valves

This effort is very much appreciated.

The PDF error led me to do the valve clearance check twice. Kind of a PITA, and I blame myself for following directions slavishly without thinking. That said, clearing up this error will help folks in the future.

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This effort is very much appreciated.

The PDF error led me to do the valve clearance check twice. Kind of a PITA, and I blame myself for following directions slavishly without thinking. That said, clearing up this error will help folks in the future.
Fortunately it's not disastrous, and as others have said the cam lobes are facing away at both points so the valves should be the same. But for accuracy's sake it's pretty important.
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Re: Error in pdf file regarding adjustment of valves

FOG cussed me out repeatedly over the phone about this misunderstanding. i kept thinking i was going to screw shit up when i was doing my timing, and why i couldnt get the lobes off of the rocker arms with the "F' in the window

"dont worry about the dod gamm marks on nothing. keep your 24 pins right, and then check your valves with the lobes off of the rockers."

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FOG cussed me out repeatedly over the phone about this misunderstanding. i kept thinking i was going to screw shit up when i was doing my timing, and why i couldnt get the lobes off of the rocker arms with the "F' in the window

"dont worry about the dod gamm marks on nothing. keep your 24 pins right, and then check your valves with the lobes off of the rockers."
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Re: Error in pdf file regarding adjustment of valves

In 5th grade they gave us all a test.

It had 35 questions starting with the date , name, stupid non imortant questions, then the last question was the instruction of "you are to write nothing on this piece of paper except your name, do not answer any questions. The more questions you answer them more points will be taken off your grade for this assignment" the whole class including myself spent 20 minutes filling the thing out, calculating, thinking, running to the pencil sharpener, etc.

My point is the marks, their mistakes, etc is all unnecessary instruction that can only delay your project and cause your time to be wasted.

All anyone has to remember is; adjust valves at opposite lobe position. That's it!



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Re: Error in pdf file regarding adjustment of valves

The PDF file is not editable. There was however a note added to the Wiki (where this is linked from) so readers of this should be aware of this error. There are also posts in the thread (where this is also linked from) saying the same thing.

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In 5th grade they gave us all a test.

It had 35 questions starting with the date , name, stupid non imortant questions, then the last question was the instruction of "you are to write nothing on this piece of paper except your name, do not answer any questions. The more questions you answer them more points will be taken off your grade for this assignment" the whole class including myself spent 20 minutes filling the thing out, calculating, thinking, running to the pencil sharpener, etc.

My point is the marks, their mistakes, etc is all unnecessary instruction that can only delay your project and cause your time to be wasted.

All anyone has to remember is; adjust valves at opposite lobe position. That's it!
Your story was a terrible way to make your point. That or you left out the details in your story that help it to actually make sense.
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The PDF file is not editable. There was however a note added to the Wiki (where this is linked from) so readers of this should be aware of this error. There are also posts in the thread (where this is also linked from) saying the same thing.
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The PDF file is not editable. There was however a note added to the Wiki (where this is linked from) so readers of this should be aware of this error. There are also posts in the thread (where this is also linked from) saying the same thing.
Aaaaah Grasshopper . . .

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and it's Freeware . . .

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Cnet says its good to go. And 57,000+ downloads later . . . it's not malware . . .

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I am aware you can create a PDF document, you can even do this online on the Adobe site without downloading software, but you cannot edit/change an existing PDF document. I started, and hope to finish sometime, just extracting the relevant info from the PDF and put it in the Wiki rather than rewrite the existing PDF.

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The PDF file is not editable. There was however a note added to the Wiki (where this is linked from) so readers of this should be aware of this error. There are also posts in the thread (where this is also linked from) saying the same thing.
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I am aware you can create a PDF document, you can even do this online on the Adobe site without downloading software, but you cannot edit/change an existing PDF document. I started, and hope to finish sometime, just extracting the relevant info from the PDF and put it in the Wiki rather than rewrite the existing PDF.
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The PDF file is not editable. There was however a note added to the Wiki (where this is linked from) so readers of this should be aware of this error. There are also posts in the thread (where this is also linked from) saying the same thing.
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Cnet says its good to go. And 57,000+ downloads later . . . it's not malware . . .

http://download.cnet.com/BullZip-PDF...5_4-85827.html

I am aware you can create a PDF document, you can even do this online on the Adobe site without downloading software, but you cannot edit/change an existing PDF document. I started, and hope to finish sometime, just extracting the relevant info from the PDF and put it in the Wiki rather than rewrite the existing PDF.
If it's locked, this program can unlock it -but I haven't used it in every possible situation.

I have a work related program which will produce PDFs in locked format only . . . this will save it unlocked.
If you have software that will allow you to easily edit this please feel free to do so.

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The PDF file is not editable. There was however a note added to the Wiki (where this is linked from) so readers of this should be aware of this error. There are also posts in the thread (where this is also linked from) saying the same thing.
Aaaaah Grasshopper . . .

All your answers await you with a simple PDF printer emulator software download . . .
and it's Freeware . . .

http://www.bullzip.com/products/pdf/info.php

"Print" (save) your own version of it and set your own document properties.

Cnet says its good to go. And 57,000+ downloads later . . . it's not malware . . .

http://download.cnet.com/BullZip-PDF...5_4-85827.html

I am aware you can create a PDF document, you can even do this online on the Adobe site without downloading software, but you cannot edit/change an existing PDF document. I started, and hope to finish sometime, just extracting the relevant info from the PDF and put it in the Wiki rather than rewrite the existing PDF.
If it's locked, this program can unlock it -but I haven't used it in every possible situation.

I have a work related program which will produce PDFs in locked format only . . . this will save it unlocked.
If you have software that will allow you to easily edit this please feel free to do so.
He gave it to you.... Open the file... print it to the PDF printer. It "prints" a new file that you save somewhere... an editable one. Edit accordingly. Save and upload.
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