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toniplavna 5-25-2019 7:27 PM

Sidestand kill switch
 
My sidestand killswitch dont work. What to check beside spraying wd40?Managed to go without engine cuts off...

toniplavna 5-26-2019 2:15 PM

Tried some contact spray and wd, sandpaper on plug on the stand , nothing for now. I can see some corrosion on the pins.

I can't unplug the clutch lever plug. I dont know if I need to press something or unscrew but it seems like its plug and play jack.

bpe 5-27-2019 12:14 PM

https://i.imgur.com/tKVSPo0.jpg
The clutch switch does have a tab you need to press to disconnect the wire connecter. But you would need to remove the 2 screws holding the switch in and remove the switch first, to be able to disconnect the wire.


Can't really offer any info on the side stand switch, as I have never had an issue with that one. I was going to suggest to just get a new one as I'm thinking they are probably not expensive. But I can't even find the side stand switch on the parts page. :surprise:

ducatiman 5-28-2019 9:07 AM

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27010-1467 s/s switch $54.53 on ronayers.com shows fitting 2003-2009 US models, can't vouch for Euro application

27010-1185 on 87-98 about $28 bucks

before buying, suggest use your multimeter to verify wiring and switch integrity

When you're done, bring the meter over to my place, we'll wear it out workin' on this thing :grin2:

bpe 5-28-2019 5:42 PM

@ducatiman Can i ask what page you found that on. I couldn't find that switch to save my life. :surprise:

FYI I thought it would come in at about $20, like the clutch switch.

ducatiman 5-28-2019 5:53 PM

microfiche (partsbook) page entitled "Ignition switch/locks/reflectors" doesn't make sense but its there ref# 27010.

https://www.ronayers.com/oemparts/a/...cks-reflectors

Wow, just noticed $338 for the ignition switch? :surprise: Glad I got a Ducati, parts a lot cheaper. :wink2:

bpe 5-28-2019 6:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ducatiman (Post 914751)
Glad I got a Ducati, parts a lot cheaper. :wink2:

Stop it. :grin2:

What gets me is the 6 pages for the gas tank. :surprise:

toniplavna 6-4-2019 3:44 PM

There is sidestand switch on wemoto.

Btw tonight I came home, in the garage still in 1st gear, clucth pressed, slowly put sidestand down and engine shut off. Tried 2 times, faster, nothing, let the clutch, nothing. Tried again, putting side stand slowly and at some point kills the engine. So its not wirring I guess, probably side stand switch mechanism not working properly cuz of the use/dust/water etc. But its working. Im gonna try something more to get it working 100%

toniplavna 6-4-2019 3:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bpe (Post 914593)
https://i.imgur.com/tKVSPo0.jpg
The clutch switch does have a tab you need to press to disconnect the wire connecter. But you would need to remove the 2 screws holding the switch in and remove the switch first, to be able to disconnect the wire.


Can't really offer any info on the side stand switch, as I have never had an issue with that one. I was going to suggest to just get a new one as I'm thinking they are probably not expensive. But I can't even find the side stand switch on the parts page. :surprise:

I will maybe try to take it apart but dont think so, dont want to mess up with that clutch switch, also heard that that plunger/pin is prone to cracking...

There are side stand switches on motopartseu and wemoto I think but its more expensive than that clutch one. 40-50 euros

yorkie 6-4-2019 7:50 PM

the switches are easy to test. takes all of 2 mins. sit on bike with side stand down. start engine. pull clutch. engage 1st gear. slowly release lever.

if the bike cuts out. the side stand switch is working. if the bike continues to run it's not working.


clutch switch. while still sat on bike engine stood engage 1st gear. ignition on. press starter. nothing happens. starter won't operate. pull lever. try again if bike starts. the clutch switch is working. on one circuit. to test the other circuit. while the bike is running and in gear lever pulled drop the side stand. if nothing happens the other circuit is working. however if the bike stops when the sand goes down even if the lever is pulled the second circuit is faulty.


it seems yours does this from your post so it is the second circuit on the clutch switch. isn't working. check for bad contacts first but it's easier to just change the switch than take it apart.

toniplavna 6-5-2019 3:53 AM

I can start bike in 1st gear with clutch pulled in, so its working. Thats out at least.

toniplavna 6-5-2019 3:55 AM

" to test the other circuit. while the bike is running and in gear lever pulled drop the side stand. if nothing happens the other circuit is working. however if the bike stops when the sand goes down even if the lever is pulled the second circuit is faulty. "

Dont know what you mean by second curcuit but will google for it.

yorkie 6-5-2019 4:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toniplavna (Post 915245)
" to test the other circuit. while the bike is running and in gear lever pulled drop the side stand. if nothing happens the other circuit is working. however if the bike stops when the sand goes down even if the lever is pulled the second circuit is faulty. "

Dont know what you mean by second curcuit but will google for it.



the safety switches are in a circuit that works with a combination of on and off's depending on which switch is deployed or not.


the neutral light is part of the circuit. when it's on. [in neutral] all the other switches are ignored and so mute. only when it's off do the others actually do something.
the side stand switch is a simple on/off switch to let the system know when the stand is down.

the clutch switch however is a two way switch [with 3 wires] it is never off [except in neutral] when the lever is pulled it operates one circuit when the lever is released it operates a different circuit.

depending on what position the other switches are in will determine what the bike does.

assuming the bike is in gear. the starter will not operate with the clutch out. this is to stop you starting it in gear, [one circuit] but if the clutch lever is pulled. it will let the starter operate. [other circuit] this is so you can restart the bike if stalled without the need to put it back into neutral.

this switch also works in conjunction with the side stand switch. if the stand is up either position of the clutch switch, will make no difference. [normal riding] but if the bikes in gear and the stand is down releasing the clutch cuts off the engine. this is to prevent you riding off with the stand down.

you can test this as I stated. you can also test the circuits while riding [not recommended unless your on a quite road.


start the bike as normal set off slowly in first gear when you reach 10mph move the side stand switch with your toe the bike will cut out. while rolling press the starter. nothing should happen. then pull the clutch the bike will now restart.

toniplavna 6-5-2019 5:17 AM

Ok now tested , its not shutting off the engine while pulled and side stand down.

Plunger on clutch switch is working, but maybe I think that my clutch lever is far off and not touching the plunger when Im releasing the lever???

Also Im using this guide https://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Cleani..._clutch_switch but its not the same.

Can I just unscrew those 2 philips screws and took it of (also unplug it first)? There are no those 2 https://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/File:2011-06-12105141.jpg screws on ex500, mine is only 1 and its near some metal part and I cant put the key there (metal part is preventing it). And really dont wanna unscrew those allen screws and took whole left assemble down...

toniplavna 6-5-2019 10:06 AM

Good news everyone, my clutch cable snapped!

toniplavna 6-5-2019 10:11 AM

I have universal replacement cable from Louis, I dont know if that will fit or how to mount it but will try.

Something like this https://www.kiwavmotors.com/en/tools...ng-case-detail

But dont know what to do with extensions.

Is this a kit for get you home or I can use it as full time clutch cable?

toniplavna 6-5-2019 3:39 PM

I ordered new cable for ex...

bpe 6-5-2019 3:49 PM

Smart decision. :wink2:

toniplavna 6-5-2019 5:34 PM

cant i simply test clutch switch like this:

side stand down, 1st gear, clutch pulled in-with the right hand press the plunger from the switch in. That would be the same thing as clutch lever released. That should kill the ignition?

yorkie 6-6-2019 3:57 AM

yes.

toniplavna 6-6-2019 6:53 AM

Today I managed to open clutch switch and clean it, also connector. Waiting for my clutch cable, and then I ll test it again.

bpe 6-6-2019 4:34 PM

You may want to bend that copper contact strip a little, to make better contact.

toniplavna 6-11-2019 4:12 PM

Changed cable still didnt tested if its working, I totally forget...work...

toniplavna 6-12-2019 2:55 PM

Still not working.

Can I open side stand switch just like I did clutch switch and clean it?

toniplavna 6-19-2019 9:05 AM

Fixed it with degreaser, after that contact spray and looot of wd 40 inside the switch and contact. Working


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