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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 7-9-2019, 8:26 AM Thread Starter
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Bike doesn't start in gear

I've found my clutch switch does not work. There are 2 wires and 1 ground. I have soldered 2 wires together, but bike only start on neutral. The question is - what else should I do to make it start in gear? (I don't really like safety switches at all) Thanks
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(I don't really like safety switches at all) Thanks

Ahhhhh, safety switches are there for good reason, but to each there own. I dont know how you soldered them so post a pick of the re-wireing. A lot of safety switches activate when closed to ground so if you soldered a high to a high you will not see a change.

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the clutch switch is actually a double on switch like the indicators. one way on it powers one circuit other way on it powers another circuit.
not sure how you would eliminate it either by joining all the wires together. or completely separating them. but then you would have issues with the other switches/sensors on the same circuit.
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Not to be overly cynical, but why don't you just leave it alone? With the neutral finder on these bikes, getting the bike into neutral is easier than basically every other bike out there, so it's effortless to pop it into neutral before hitting the starter button. Besides, starting any vehicle in neutral is a good habit to get in to.
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Not to be overly cynical, but why don't you just leave it alone? With the neutral finder on these bikes, getting the bike into neutral is easier than basically every other bike out there, so it's effortless to pop it into neutral before hitting the starter button. Besides, starting any vehicle in neutral is a good habit to get in to.
There should be some balls in transmission axle to prevent pop in to
second gear, but I've lost them then assembled the engine. So it's not that easy to put on neutral unfortunately
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Maybe this will help. Basically you need to figure out which 2 (of the 3) wires you need to connect together to make the rest of the interlock system think the clutch is disengaged.
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Maybe this will help. Basically you need to figure out which 2 (of the 3) wires you need to connect together to make the rest of the interlock system think the clutch is disengaged.

afraid that won't work due to the system lock out. the only way is to fool the system into thinking the bikes in neutral and therefore over riding all the safety switches. possibly by earthing out the neutral switch wire. of course this will put the light on all the time. to be honest though the best way to fix it is just replace the clutch switch and let the system do what it's supposed to do.
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Besides, starting any vehicle in neutral is a good habit to get in to.
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afraid that won't work due to the system lock out. the only way is to fool the system into thinking the bikes in neutral and therefore over riding all the safety switches. possibly by earthing out the neutral switch wire. of course this will put the light on all the time. to be honest though the best way to fix it is just replace the clutch switch and let the system do what it's supposed to do.
Not sure I agree, due to the fact that if you stall it, you can just pull in the clutch lever, punch the starter button to restart it, and carry on no matter what gear its in. But I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence. Far better to just fix it properly.

I'd use a clutch switch defeat only as a temporary roadside fix. Had to do exactly that to get a friend's bike going a while back....
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I've found my clutch switch does not work. There are 2 wires and 1 ground. I have soldered 2 wires together, but bike only start on neutral. The question is - what else should I do to make it start in gear? (I don't really like safety switches at all) Thanks
Which two did you connect? There's 3 possible ways to connect those wires. Try the other 2 possibilities.

Don't think you should defeat this safety feature though...
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