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post #51 of 130 (permalink) Old 8-2-2018, 5:47 PM
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This is excellent news!

I have to admit, though, that I am one of the members that hasn't been very active here--just like I haven't been very active on my EX this year. Hoping to change that going forward.

I'm lucky enough to be relatively local to @ducatiman and know him personally. His place is a good ride for me to take on the weekends.

Given that this model was retired almost 10 years ago, it's natural for this forum to slowdown and lose its members. But I'm impressed that it's still relatively active. And it's in good hands for now with the 2 new moderators.

Thanks for your contribution, guys!

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OK, we came into this with good intentions and what we agreed was a solid plan to help this forum transition to a new phase, reflecting the current state of the ex500. That is, a great, versatile little street bike that happens to have been out of production now for nearly ten years. These bikes, many of them being neglected or abused, are now being bought mostly by young people, who are trying to learn how to fix them up.

Although this site has an impressive knowledge base, mostly thanks to member fog, the reality is, a lot of these new owners could use some help with basic mechanical knowledge. That's become painfully obvious through a multitude of tortured troubleshooting threads.

Our plan basically consists of two parts ;
1) Clean up and solidify the knowledge base. We have (or HAD) a great wiki, but we also have a number of instructional stickies in various sections, that would have been better as a part of the wiki base. To make matters worse, those stickies were left open for comment, making it all one huge mess to sort through. Things would be much more cohesive if the comments were eliminated and that knowledge incorporated into the wiki.

2) Offer some instruction on the basics of mechanics, such as, tightening bolts (don't laugh, this causes a lot of problems for beginners), and what you need to have on hand and what you need to know in order to do basic troubleshooting of various systems; that sort of thing.

Unfortunately, we've been hugely distracted, by technical problems, other forum needs, and personal challenges. Part of our mission was to help make this a more welcoming place and get involved in the conversations. Honestly, I got a little burned out a while back, so I haven't been contributing as much as I planned.

Now our wiki is down again and I've sent a long message to admin, pleading for some help on the issue, so that we can get back on track. I'm hopeful that over the winter we can start accomplishing our goals.
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I have an idea for helping out new members. A form for the rest of us.



I can help almost anyone trouble shoot almost anything....however sorting through a ton of information and trying to discern what is relevant and what is not can be exhausting. I realize that is the nature of keyboard diagnostics but that could be addressed somewhat.



I'm less inclined to even attempt an answer when I see what appears to be a single paragraph, but is actually a run on sentence without punctuation of any form and riddled with "text" speak.



Hence, a form. I don't know, I'm not a tech-head so I don't know how difficult it would be to create such a thing.



It could be placed at the top of the Wiki or wherever. It should include a drop down menu for a relevant topic like "engine" or "steering" or...whatever. The input made should send the completed form to which ever forum section as required.


The form would then appear as a thread post start for those with the requisite knowledge to be able to help diagnose the problem indicated.


This form should be built with that as it's first block, followed by a description of the problem: no start, starter turns but no start, runs rich, or runs rough. Same format, a drop down to choose from.



Another drop down could follow with the kind of noise being experienced, like a clunk, squeal, or rattle.



Bike description should then follow. Model year would be the only thing needed there.



Then a box for any additional symptoms. That way, all the stuff that is or isn't relevant can be separated out from the stuff that for certain is.



Maybe I'm off base here, but I see this method as being advantageous to those with little or no mechanical experience. It simplifies the information required. Making it mobile device friendly could help matters even more.



On a separate subject, maybe a tutorial for basic mechanics could be produced....I'm not an EX-500 expert by any means but I am a mechanic....or at least, I get paid to be one.



Writing a tutorial for a specific job wouldn't be difficult....putting a group of them together by forum section might be beneficial to any new members with little mechanical back ground.



Lastly, I know this is a new era for the forum. But I've found myself wondering why I participate at times in the past. If an honest question is asked, I try to be as helpful as possible. There have been a couple of times that I truly wished I'd never responded.



If someone is going to simply waste the time of members offering help, that should be nipped early on. I realize I can choose to simply not respond, but that wouldn't be consistent with the new goals of the forum.



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^ +1

I like the idea, even if it was just to get us the basic information needed to start a dialog. It seems that the first reply to most of the threads is always request for more information.

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Thank you all on this forum for your sage advise and wit! Moderators have a tough job that I am glad not to be burdened with.

As for the longevity of the site and the bike, I do hope it lasts forever or at least as long as the WWW does...

I recently joined the XS650 forum and that bike left the USA in 1985 or so: that forum is strong and vigorous, and I think think one is as well.

Long live the EX 500! And Long live the EX 500 Forum!!!
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@Apriliarider.....kind of a "flow" chart of sorts? I'm thinking way too complicated, a gargantuan task requiring a ton of work. Which, admittedly, I , for one, am not capable of producing. Just way too many intricacies and loopholes.

At this point, I'd be happy just getting the wiki restored (as it was before its demise). At least a starting point for all. This is obviously up to the guru's at VerticalScope.

Beyond that, I dunno, the old fashioned way of probing and reacting to specific threads/posts somehow works. However, pertinent input from the poster is, as always, critical to getting good feedback. Frequently, there are details left out. Year/mileage a no brainer, as is a comprehensive list of what has and has not been attempted in the repair path. Leaving us guessing is a waste of time and effort, and regrettably occurs with great frequency.

Jeez, just noticed I've been on here over 10 years now!
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I for one don't miss the WIKI, as I have said the information in it largely came from posts to this forum. and are available therein I resent others having the ability to change my submissions.
Therefore if the space or energy spent on the WIKI can be put to good use elsewhere Do so

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I appreciate these ideas, and anything we can come up with to make things easier for beginner mechanics (myself included). But I gotta say, there’s already so much information here, lots of it that is really well laid out. Between that and just getting a copy of the FSM, I feel like just about any question anyone might have is already answered, they just need to search for it a little. Maybe we just need to have a few well-placed banners on certain pages encouraging people to do more searching before posting their questions.

I mean I’d never worked on a motorcycle before in my life before I joined this forum, and now my bike is running great, after sitting for six years. I feel like I did that mostly with the FSM, then the wiki, and maybe 10% was posting questions in my one dedicated project thread (shoutout to my regular contributors there, y’all the real MVPs).

I guess maybe what I’m saying is the wiki is already excellent, would just be great to get it back and maybe tune it up a little. The troubleshooting guide there basically already is a flow chart for fixing problems, it just might need some updating.

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Even operating without the wiki......the HOW-TO section also a great resource.

Inquiring users should also be encouraged to use the ADVANCED SEARCH function on their dashboard. Many, if not the vast majority of mechanical/electrical, etc etc ..situations have already been covered, some ad nauseum. Frequently, a search will reveal a ton of posts and threads specific to the users needs, even from years past. If it was asked once, it certainly was asked again. Much covered, valid info is still pertinent and readily available.

These 2 resources should be first stop shopping for anyone with a problem....answers will be found...even before posting "my bike won't start".

Obviously, members are always at standby to help with perceived unusual circumstances.

Ex500.com far from "obsolete", in any event, still *THE* resource for the 500.

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The suspension Wiki helped me as well as the FOG Airbox mod--oh and the carb filter too!
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Even operating without the wiki......the HOW-TO section also a great resource.
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Usually there will be several possible answers to an issue, but we do not hear back as to which one solved the issue or if it was solved at all.

Should we lock inactive posts and lock some of the existing ones? This would help to keep them on point and shorter. I can see some pitfalls to it, but I also don't think that there is much more to be said about cleaning your carbs...

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^ The bpe response moved to Point>Counterpoint to avoid a thread jacking.https://www.ex-500.com/8-general-dis...ter-point.html

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I now think that revamping the "How To" section is the far better option.
I agree with this.
One thing that hasn't been touched upon on the "How To" section is: There are a lot of threads in it that don't belong (at least IMO). Threads that the opening post is someone just asking a question. I just think those threads should be moved to a more appropriate section, to clean up the "How To" forum. I know this would be a major undertaking, with as many of them as there are. But think in the end would be a good move.

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hmmmm. The ducati.ms forum has a "Hall of Wisdom" (a HOW-TO of sorts) section....read this sticky from the Mod on how it works.

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The HOW TO section would need a massive cleanup....thread by thread.....then be strictly limited to pertinent HOW TO posts ONLY ...any other posts would need to be deleted without question or hesitation, immediately.

With the demise and lack of the wiki....this very well may be the next best option going forward as WE can administer. But a hella lot o'work.
Need to talk to @K-woppa on this. We'd likely need to "employ" some capable help (as in volunteer) in the cleanup and maintenance going forward.

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Note : the significant point in the Ducati Forum How to, is the one I complained about in our WIKI. They restrict reply and add on posting to approved topics. this was my biggest complaint, even in our How too section, the instruction often gets muddy up by well meaning add ons or Me toos.
While I 'm up here on the soap box. The system makes no indication of a click when selecting a page number of a post or when posting a reply. for me ,this often causes me to double post thinking I missed the button or something . Would it be so difficult to make the system recognize a click with a color change or something?
Oh one more thing Can we please have the "go to the bottom /top button back?"

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hmmmm. The ducati.ms forum has a "Hall of Wisdom" (a HOW-TO of sorts) section....read this sticky from the Mod on how it works.

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The HOW TO section would need a massive cleanup....thread by thread.....then be strictly limited to pertinent HOW TO posts ONLY ...any other posts would need to be deleted without question or hesitation, immediately.

With the demise and lack of the wiki....this very well may be the next best option going forward as WE can administer. But a hella lot o'work.
Need to talk to @K-woppa on this. We'd likely need to "employ" some capable help (as in volunteer) in the cleanup and maintenance going forward.
I agree that reworking the existing how to section would be a serious undertaking, then you'd be left with all the "thread deleted" flags because we can't do a hard delete. It would still be a mess. It would be easy, though, to create a new section, move the stickies to the new section and leave all the comments behind. That would leave two challenges; what to do with the old section and how to keep people from starting threads in the new section. This calls for some research.
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got me to thinking, above and beyond HOW TO........it may be high time for a new forum subsection....Scheduled Maintenance or Basic Maintenance .... limited to service related basics of oil change, air filter, spark plug, coolant service, valve clearance check, carb settings, battery maintenance, simple charging system checks, etc etc.

The HOW TO would remain more in depth...whereas Scheduled Maintenance would be more limited to the "basics" .....and kept simple and very friendly to new owners.

This would also consolidate threads/posts that are scattered everywhere.

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I agree those tutorials would be a good addition to the forum. Are you thinking it should be a sub section to the How to section?
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Give scheduled maint or basic maint (whatever its decided it should be called) its own full section separate from How-To....keeping it more simple and basic. The HOW TO would remain more in depth.

As I see it...there are simple maintenance related threads/posts scattered everywhere. IMHO...this would considerably centralize and consolidate further.

Long ago, I initially suggested the carb and electrical sections for the same reason.....consolidation of stuff posted everywhere. Both sections are now a valid search resource with tons of experiences and information.

My old posts requesting same can still be found in the Suggestions section....and were actually opened by the then mods and admin.

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OK, sounds reasonable to me. I also think I know how the sections can be set up to keep them as a knowledge base, free from comment. I'm waiting for admin to confirm that it's possible. I don't think they work on the weekend so it will take a couple days to hear back.
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BTW, if a member wants to comment on, or has question about something contained in the locked "How to" and "Maintenance" sections, they can post it in the appropriate forum section.
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BTW, if a member wants to comment on, or has question about something contained in the locked "How to" and "Maintenance" sections, they can post it in the appropriate forum section.
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And appreciate your efforts dealing with Admin on this (the tech way over my head)

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@K-woppa and I were cognizant, upon accepting mod positions, our forum was sorely neglected and in need of a tune up.

Agreed, some "no touch" areas need to be employed. The end of support affecting the Wiki was not anticipated, presented a monkey wrench... creating a long diversion. Now obvious it is obsolete...no support going forward...some alternative paths to improvement are obviously in the works. Just waiting on the proper forum framework.

Hang in folks, we'll get there! Then the real fun begins. We're gonna do this.
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Note I moved the 3 or 4 top/bottom button posts to the Suggestions section.

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