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The 500 has never been cool, or innovative. It's an entry level motorcycle that, in stock form is dorky looking.
The way I see it is I have the cool bike.
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And most of the other sports bikes are the dorky looking ones. 馃槃

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 
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The way I see it is I have the cool bike.
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And most of the other sports bikes are the dorky looking ones. 馃槃

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The way I see it is I have the cool bike.
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And most of the other sports bikes are the dorky looking ones. 馃槃

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Is it for lack of money or blind sentimentality-those who cling to a generic twin trying to look like a track bike? Who wouldn't give up their EX500 for a 636 if they had the funds or the inclination? I admit the photo does make the 500 look better than it should. In a lean it has enough aggressive attitude to be somewhat cool.
 

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me neither. and while we are on the subject I find it funny (very funny) that when you ride out and call at the biker cafe the old EX always draws a crowd. now every type of bike turns up from harleys to gold wings. the parking area is always full of modern (preying Mantis) new bikes. and no one turns a hair. but the EX draws attention every time. quite often with how they used to have one. a real fun bike an usually ends with "wish I still had mine" so Yeah @bpe a cool bike indeed.
 

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I think of the EX as a cruiser. I would have a hard time riding more than 10 miles on some of those other sports bikes.
 
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I am pondering your point. I rode the 2002 EX 13 miles daily on a 25 mile round trip to work and I wasn't annoyed but it didn't involve expressway riding. I rarely got above 45mph which was fine for me. I think what would annoy most would be an aftermarket muffler built to imply you were driving a Lola in a rally. The noise even with a helmet would start to annoy- not the acceptable vibration.
 

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Is it for lack of money or blind sentimentality-those who cling to a generic twin trying to look like a track bike? Who wouldn't give up their EX500 for a 636 if they had the funds or the inclination? I admit the photo does make the 500 look better than it should. Leaning it looks less dorky.
Definitely agreeing with others on this point. The new bikes look terrible. I'm not a fan of the jagged edges on 'em, and definitely enjoy the smoother lines of older bikes. I don't disagree on the looks of the bike, the gen 1 is far better looking IMHO. I also don't see the need/want for a bigger bike. I'm a fat guy, 260 lbs (118kg) @ 5'10 (177.8cm), and this bike still has no problem with me on it. When I daydream about a new bike I want another 500, but I suspect I'm in the minority there. I don't discredit cool factor, because most motorcycles are cool to the right person.
 

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Definitely agreeing with others on this point. The new bikes look terrible. I'm not a fan of the jagged edges on 'em, and definitely enjoy the smoother lines of older bikes. I don't disagree on the looks of the bike, the gen 1 is far better looking IMHO. I also don't see the need/want for a bigger bike. I'm a fat guy, 260 lbs (118kg) @ 5'10 (177.8cm), and this bike still has no problem with me on it. When I daydream about a new bike I want another 500, but I suspect I'm in the minority there. I don't discredit cool factor, because most motorcycles are cool to the right person.
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Definitely agreeing with others on this point. The new bikes look terrible. I'm not a fan of the jagged edges on 'em, and definitely enjoy the smoother lines of older bikes. I don't disagree on the looks of the bike, the gen 1 is far better looking IMHO. I also don't see the need/want for a bigger bike. I'm a fat guy, 260 lbs (118kg) @ 5'10 (177.8cm), and this bike still has no problem with me on it. When I daydream about a new bike I want another 500, but I suspect I'm in the minority there. I don't discredit cool factor, because most motorcycles are cool to the right person.
When I mention the 636 I am referring to the engine not the track/racing bike profile. Indeed the "cool" factor varies with each of us but that transverse mounted four in a scrambler bike is very cool. The VMax is an impressive feat of engineering but weighs close to 700lbs. That weight is way beyond what I consider "cool". Most of us here I suspect would be happy on a Honda 250 Scrambler tooling around within five miles of our house.
 

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Definitely agreeing with others on this point. The new bikes look terrible. I'm not a fan of the jagged edges on 'em, and definitely enjoy the smoother lines of older bikes. I don't disagree on the looks of the bike, the gen 1 is far better looking IMHO. I also don't see the need/want for a bigger bike. I'm a fat guy, 260 lbs (118kg) @ 5'10 (177.8cm), and this bike still has no problem with me on it. When I daydream about a new bike I want another 500, but I suspect I'm in the minority there. I don't discredit cool factor, because most motorcycles are cool to the right person.
I agree, most new bikes look like they鈥檙e overcompensating for something. For example I鈥檓 a big fan of the retro styling of the Kawasaki z900RS over the z900. I have to assume the jagged edge look will be going out of style soon, it鈥檚 been here since the mid 2000鈥檚. I do like naked bikes over full fairings though, which is why my front fairing is gone.

At this point the thread has been totally hijacked. Hopefully the OP doesn鈥檛 mind.
 

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@dinnerpianist bike looks great, and I was quite impressed overall. You should definitely be proud of your craftsmanship.
Thank you for the compliment. Again, my agenda was to not spend money on aftermarket enhancements or substitutions nor need any tool but a hacksaw (welding or special fabrication was ruled out). I talked to my insurance agent after the conversion and expected a discount since any accident would involve just me not a passenger since the seat alteration meant no passenger would be aboard. He looked flummoxed by my appeal for a discount. My premium stayed the same but now I should feel lucky he didn't raise the premium since perhaps in his mind I would be now strutting at high rpm as a single rogue male (my marriage is sound).
 

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you must have slacker (more user friendly) insurance in the USA. as soon as we (this side of the pond) touch the bike the premium goes up. even adding a carrier and top box puts it up by 5%. take something off or street fighter it. it doubles, or trebles.
do full on job like some on the forum you would find it difficult to even get a quote.
the cruiser I built is a one off unique bike. only one specialist insurer (the one that insures all the kit cars and trikes) charges more per year than the bike cost to build. 5x what it costs to insure the stock gen 1.
 

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you must have slacker (more user friendly) insurance in the USA. as soon as we (this side of the pond) touch the bike the premium goes up. even adding a carrier and top box puts it up by 5%. take something off or street fighter it. it doubles, or trebles.
do full on job like some on the forum you would find it difficult to even get a quote.
the cruiser I built is a one off unique bike. only one specialist insurer (the one that insures all the kit cars and trikes) charges more per year than the bike cost to build. 5x what it costs to insure the stock gen 1.
You can probably blame a lot of the guys that built monster streetfighters with 1100 gixxer motors in Harris and Spondon frames. :)
 

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Insurance is a scam.
 
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You can probably blame a lot of the guys that built monster streetfighters with 1100 gixxer motors in Harris and Spondon frames. :)
hi no nothing to with that. it's all down to the EU and their type approval system. trying to destroy the custom market they do not control. (mostly imports) and is in fact the very reason Kawasaki pulled exporting the GPZ 500s into Europe in 2002. despite building new models E9 and E10 (E stands for Europe) with all new features like twin brakes. PAIR system and hazzard lights. old technology just didn't cut it. despite the UK leaving the EU most of the old rules still apply. this may change over time (if were lucky) for now it's just the way it is. not sure of the exact exchange rate in USD but the cruiser costs 拢524 a year to insure. twice as much as my car. even the old gen 1 is 拢100 a year to insure.
sorry to go off topic on this but it's worth remembering when members talk about radical modifications most of which would render the bike illegal to use over here.
 

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you must have slacker (more user friendly) insurance in the USA. as soon as we (this side of the pond) touch the bike the premium goes up. even adding a carrier and top box puts it up by 5%. take something off or street fighter it. it doubles, or trebles.
do full on job like some on the forum you would find it difficult to even get a quote.
the cruiser I built is a one off unique bike. only one specialist insurer (the one that insures all the kit cars and trikes) charges more per year than the bike cost to build. 5x what it costs to insure the stock gen 1.
My State Farm Agent insures the EX500, a 2015 Honda FIT, our $500K house and my private studio which also involves specific equipment taken out on private bookings (a rider is required). He also had both our $200K term life insurance policies but once my wife and I hit 75 we cancelled them (he was very upset). I told him I'd rather give the $2K per year triple cost jump to children and grandchildren and that I hoped my wife would find a Pennsylvania pig farmer who would look the other way for $500 and not notice her throwing my body into his pig pen. She could come back a day later and collect all that was left (my teeth) if she felt she needed something to put on the mantle.
 

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hi no nothing to with that. it's all down to the EU and their type approval system. trying to destroy the custom market they do not control. (mostly imports) and is in fact the very reason Kawasaki pulled exporting the GPZ 500s into Europe in 2002. despite building new models E9 and E10 (E stands for Europe) with all new features like twin brakes. PAIR system and hazzard lights. old technology just didn't cut it. despite the UK leaving the EU most of the old rules still apply. this may change over time (if were lucky) for now it's just the way it is. not sure of the exact exchange rate in USD but the cruiser costs 拢524 a year to insure. twice as much as my car. even the old gen 1 is 拢100 a year to insure.
sorry to go off topic on this but it's worth remembering when members talk about radical modifications most of which would render the bike illegal to use over here.
You're not off topic. All of this is interesting to inquisitive minds. Yes indeed- insurance is mainly a scam as one poster noted. When I got drafted in 1967 I had a "complimentary" $10K death insurance policy courtesy of the US Army. Could I have made a Viet Cong combatant a beneficiary? Not likely. I did not go to "Nam" but instead served stateside for two years with a MOS of 02N20 (pianist for the army).
 

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you must have slacker (more user friendly) insurance in the USA. as soon as we (this side of the pond) touch the bike the premium goes up. even adding a carrier and top box puts it up by 5%. take something off or street fighter it. it doubles, or trebles.
do full on job like some on the forum you would find it difficult to even get a quote.
the cruiser I built is a one off unique bike. only one specialist insurer (the one that insures all the kit cars and trikes) charges more per year than the bike cost to build. 5x what it costs to insure the stock gen 1.
That is just ridiculous!
 

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That is just ridiculous!
That is just ridiculous!
I have no coverage for the EX-500 except if I injure or kill someone else. I was accommodated by a State Farm agent. Premiums are higher for bikes with lots of plastic even with a higher deductible. I rejected any coverage for damage to the bike. If one builds a custom bike and expects an agent to go along with helping with theft or damage one is pretty naive.
 
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