I have a pair of joe rocket highsides, that i've beat to hell nad they look decent from all of it. though they don't have the hard knuckle protectors on the they have extra padding on the knuckels.I'll say Joe Rocket makes a h*ll of glove. i've got the tour master cold weather carbon fiber gloves and love them, but in la you'd sweat in em to much, but they do have a decent glove at decent prices. another one i've happened to come across is the fiend collection from gp star. their gloves are on ebay for 50 plus shipping, and they have the protection on them. I have one of their coats that i literally beat the h*ll out of. It's hit the asphalt a couple times, been kicked around on the floor, had my dogs and cat use it as a bed, worn out to the bars on friday night, just about anything imaginable has happened to this coat in the 2 years i've had it. it has one scuff on the front, thats all the abuse it shows. if they put the same quality into their gloves as they do their coats, it would be a damn good glove at a hell of a price.