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Finally started on winter project.

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This is the first time I was able to get out in the garage to work since my health issue started back last December where I would feel good only for a few hours each day, and I turned out I had received a gift of MSRA was the root issue. On the mend and spent a week in the Hospital on IV antibiotics and 2 surgeries to go in and physically cut out infections in January then 3 weeks of pill form anti-biotics.

Anyhow... that is why I have not been doing things and just now getting around to doing.

Anyone who knows me, knows I love shiny parts but, I make them shiny with some elbow grease.

I am replacing my stator cover with another from fleabay and polishing out the center and repainted the rest of it to a nice glossiness. The clutch cover on the other side and the water pump will be off of an EN500 because, I like their looks better and the water pump is not trashed cosmetically.

FYI the en500 water pump cover bolts on wih no issues except they are not the same as the edge next to the EX clutch cover is thicker so it is not a perfect fit so unless you change the clutch cover like I am, it will look wrong but work. If it were not for Fogs rear sets the clutch cover would be too thick and would not work.

Also in the process of doing all this also will be checking/adjusting the valves and replacing the O-rings with a confirmation that the left O-ring was seeping just enough could barely see it with a flashlight and could not get a picture of it at all.

Picture explanations above each pic.

The new to me OEM lower Cowl I will be removing all the decals and touching it up and heat shielding it for installation. Color is close enough to my paint.

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This is the old water pump cover that I removed and a trash pump innards I bought to compare the EN500 innards. Glad I had it as the seals I got were wrong.

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Top seal is the one I received wrong and is considerably bigger as the one on the bottom is the one I drove out of my housing.

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Covers off Stator side.

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Covers off Clutch and water pump side. I put the impeller back on so I don't drop it and damage it.

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CX500 Front fender extender to be modified for this bike.


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Future Shiny bits. Duplicolor Gloss black engine paint with ceramic apparently. Un buffed only paint removed and parts I want black repainted.

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I thought I would show also how I am attaching my Fiberglas Upper faring to the clip since it was cut off from the previous owner. Rivnut to the recue.

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Why do you go with the bigger sized ones than listed just out of curiosity?
well the simple answer is I thought they would be better, you see I don't have a stock exhaust fitted, the gen 2 has a Motad 2 into 1 and the gen 1 has Black widow headers. aftermarket pipes tend to be single walled and have a wider (deeper) trumpets for the gasket. these give more crush room and fit way better, when I found out they could be had for such a cheap price it became a no brainer.
several owners have used these on stock exhausts and reported they are easier to fit and give a better seal than the thinner stock ones. although TBH the difference is only about 0.6mm.
The stock ones are flat, like washers.
well the simple answer is I thought they would be better, you see I don't have a stock exhaust fitted, the gen 2 has a Motad 2 into 1 and the gen 1 has Black widow headers. aftermarket pipes tend to be single walled and have a wider (deeper) trumpets for the gasket. these give more crush room and fit way better, when I found out they could be had for such a cheap price it became a no brainer.
several owners have used these on stock exhausts and reported they are easier to fit and give a better seal than the thinner stock ones. although TBH the difference is only about 0.6mm.
I'm seeing alot that are saying inside diameter and outside diameter. I know 46mm for outside I think it was...but what about that inside diameter? Also been a little hard finding the more rounded ones rather than the flats.
OD - (thickness X2) = ID
^ Unless you're talking about flat OEM.
I'm seeing alot that are saying inside diameter and outside diameter. I know 46mm for outside I think it was...but what about that inside diameter? Also been a little hard finding the more rounded ones rather than the flats.
o_Oo_Oo_O:oops::oops::oops::love::love::love:. Sorry just fell off my chair. reading that. could hardly contain my self.
OD - thickness x 2 = ID or 46mm - 5mm -5mm = 10mm = 36mm ID.

edit, simple logic and maths, aftermarket headers are made from 40mm pipe the pipe has a 2mm wall thickness. the trumpet on the header is 3mm.
so 40mm + 3mm x2 = 6mm makes the OD 46mm.
40mm -2mm X 2 = 4mm makes the ID 36mm.
that's why the rings are a perfect fit for aftermarket pipes. the value for stock headers is immaterial as you have a Delkevic system.
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o_Oo_Oo_O:oops::oops::oops::love::love::love:. Sorry just fell off my chair. reading that. could hardly contain my self.
OD - thickness x 2 = ID or 46mm - 5mm -5mm = 10mm = 36mm ID.

edit, simple logic and maths, aftermarket headers are made from 40mm pipe the pipe has a 2mm wall thickness. the trumpet on the header is 3mm.
so 40mm + 3mm x2 = 6mm makes the OD 46mm.
40mm -2mm X 2 = 4mm makes the ID 36mm.
that's why the rings are a perfect fit for aftermarket pipes. the value for stock headers is immaterial as you have a Delkevic system.
I don't know if I'm bad a searching or what but the only ones I've found are 7 something dollars each with 20 something dollars shipping from the u.k. other than that the stupid carbon ones are coming up even with having copper ring gasket in search bar. Searching on eBay.
hi, I'm pretty sure the ones I got were for the GPZ600 or ZZR600 but it's so long ago (2015) the purchase order is no longer in the archive on E-bay.
these bikes are 4 cylinder so you would be looking for a set of 4 but I found someone supplying a pack of 10,
I will have a search later on and see if I can find some like I bought be aware this may be a UK listing but a cross reference could reveal a US supplier.
these are 2 examples of what I mean, you should be able to obtain something similar.
Ebay item # 334195029937
Ebay item # 303534303262
exactly, that was why I suggested the reverse flush of the radiator after removing it.
@FlipFlop @yorkie
So I did the reverse flush...and used a coolant system cleaner same day...also used engine ice after flushing everything with water for awhile. Didn't see much for sediment other than inside the reservoir which also got completely cleaned out. Ensured no air left in system. Ensured that water pump kicked water out when hose was off by crank engine quick and watching some push out rapidly....got as much of the pure engine ice in as possible. Was good for a trip home...then to the shop...then home. The day after those trips I had same heating concern where the temp goes up just under red zone and ends up bubbling coolant out of the overflow. After a week of hoping maybe an air pocket would randomly be the issue or the way I was riding it hard was too much or something. Still overheat. So tonight I did a carbon test at radiator cap and found no head gasket leak thankfully. Pulled the plugs and could and found one with some carbon build up as it should and the other slightly white due to burning lean as ive been told here and in person. Also when doing carbon test my headers were glowing red. I mean red red ...like forging a damn knife kinda red. I've been suggested to replace the radiator cap as the issue with the coolant concern. And then someone tried telling me they think the carbs would be the issue for running lean which being duc handled those I have nothing but doubt that thats the actual issue there. So I guess I'm looking at where the hell do i start?
Could the cap really be the issue with coolant heating that much? Or could it be thermostat or temp sensor? Someone tried telling me to just gut the thermostat because being we don't have to use the heat like in a car then theres no reason to have the thermostat there holding back coolant? Still need to do this exhaust header leak repair too if that could doubtfully factor into any of it.
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hi, the trouble is there are so many variables with the cooling system it's difficult to know where to start, you obviously have some issues cleaning out the system didn't solve.
I would start by going through it one step at a time, the first question is, is the engine really getting hot or is the gauge lying to you. for instance when the gauge says hot is the fan running and when the fan comes on does it show it cooling down.
at what point does the fan come on in relation to the reading on the gauge, and a what point does it go off.
once you establish the engine is indeed getting hot (if it is) then ask why is it.
it could be the pressure cap is faulty or worn out this would cause the gurgling you describe as it's not holding pressure in the system, and as any elementry student knows the lower the pressure the lower the boiling point is the higher it is the higher the boiling point (it's how a pressure cooker works) if the pressure is high enough it would never boil (in theory).
if the pressure is good and it's still hot you then have to think why is it, it could be the thermostat is not fully opening restricting the coolant flow, the other thing to consider is a weak mixture would make it run hotter,
so then think why would it be weak.
well it seems one side is at least (by the plugs) this could be a vac leak (too much air) or not enough fuel.
Duc's done the carbs so you know they are no issues there, But despite Gordon's best efforts some bikes will need a final tweak of the pilots. no two bikes are the same and most engines will not run exactly the same on both cylinders. often you get lucky but the exception is common.
my gen 1 runs weak on the right side but the gen 2 runs weak on the left side. the pilots are different on both bikes they start the same @ 2.5 turns out but rarely end up that way, in order to balance the old gen 1 one is about 2 turns out the other 2.75 turns out. so keep this in mind.
also check for vac leaks as this will throw your carb setting out of the window have you sealed the vac ports and all the stuff that you took off removing the PAIR system. all these things have to be considered yes a lot I know.

the last point exhausts they probably shouldn't be getting that hot but they will run hotter than stock due to the construction of the pipes. but the again hot pipes can be a sign of running a weak mixture.
a lot to think about yet before you have all the answers, so just go through them one at a time until some answers are found. all I can say really, only what's happening is not normal for this bike.
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+1 ^^^
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