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I've been playing with this idea since the day I got on the bike. I have some experience in working with the very basics on derby cars. I haven't had the garage space to start on the bike yet but I'd like to share/hear ideas here. I wanted to try and steer towards a permanent on-board system as opposed to removable (ie. VCam in the backpack sorta deal)

Things I've been tackling...

For goodness sake! Is there such thing as an affordable DVR?!?!

Vibrations!

Security

... Anyone know a thing or two about SD memory? (I've been searching day in and out for a receiver/recorder that would take an SD card say 1GB and then it be affordable enough so you could run three cameras at once.)

ooo one more thing... I don't want to sound like a hater but tank braces/cameras are lame in my opinion ... theres no creativity in it. I am more interested in custom work.
 

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Now isn't this the most interesting thing I've seen in a while. I bet when you use this for what its intended you get some pretty cool footage.

I want to get home and compare the specs to some other cameras I have used to get an Idea what kin of quality I'm going to get. This is close to perfect though.
 

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I used to be into pre-digital home stereos pretty deep, & have learned a few things about sound & vibration running sound for productions at the Omaha Community Playhouse, & learned a few things trying to keep teachers with neighboring rooms from... becoming upset... when I was doing lessons dealing w/ sound using a keyboard plugged into a reciever & some good sized speakers in my room.

But I will yield to any acoustic engineer members who wish to ammend what I'll offer.
Please be patient while I try to get around to the actual motorcycle concerns you ask of.

For keeping teachers friendly (or apartment neighbors) one must reduce the low frequencies that travel through walls. (This is what late-night drive-by punks with bozo-bass-mobiles need to become civilized to.)

Low frequences tend to shake right through standard home/work barriers. Hi freq's tend to bounce off.
Vibrations can mechanically travel directly through the speaker housing into the shelf & into the wall.
Point the speaker an inch+ away from the wall(s) you wish to "respect" and set in on top of an inch thick layer of sheet styrofoam (packing shaped bits work), which goes on top of a layer of 1/2" plywood, which goes on top of a different type of rubbery foam stuff.

The various densities end up working to block mechanical transmission of various frequencies.

Acoustically, a "dead room" is one that has lots of irregular and or "soft" surfaces that absorb high freqs. This can be good or bad. A movie theater ADDS soft stuff to the walls and back of the room to avoid phone booth-like (um, remember those?) barrel-echo effects, which are unpleasant. The soft stuff is like the panels used in hung ceilings (strand board?) along with carpetting on the aisles, cushioned seats, heavy curtains... and lots of popcorn-filled viewers!

These examples, I hope, are useful in brainstorming a cushion-mount design for an on-cycle camera system. Low frequency thumps and bumps are akin to dropping a camera: the suddenly applied G-forces are not good for the camera mechanicals. Meanwhile, any high frequency vibrations can do bad things to electronic components, and for loosening screws.

So...
If the camera were to be mounted behind/within one side of the fairing and have a super-clear plexiglas (or?) window to "see" through, then it could be weather protected, at least somewhat theft protected (out of sight ).

Vibrations...
The suspension oughta protect the camera from major thumps. If the camera is held within a double density foam design that ought reduce the problem high frequencies. If the camera happens to have built in shake-control all the better. Shoot, it wouldn't be too hard to add some extra-soft-rubber mounts to ALL the attachment points of the fairing frame. That could even add a little longevity to the headlight bulb... though they're pretty tough.

One trick would be to make the camera on-off controls & memory card slot(s) available to the rider.
Which depends on which camera you select.

Well, it's a start. Bart
 

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Might be able to get one of the newer small HDT (?) cameras cheaper than these paint-ball cams. Plus, I presume the video quality & zoom range would be better. ???
 

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zoom isn't a good thing to have...
Zoom wouldn't be used during a film session.
My thinking is that is could be used to set the the best focal distance for a given ride or effect.

It would likely add expense and mechanical complication.
But if the paintball camera has limited depth of field, resolution (too grainy), or light sensitivity, then a better camera will be needed. Yes?
 

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well, at least one with changeable lenses anyway. the Viosport i linked before can have the lenses changed out to widen the angle of view. that's the one you want. what's nice about the Adventure III camera is that the mic is remote so no wind noise.
 

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What is HDT?
 

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There is a guy on Youtube.com named mordeth13 that uses a digital camera that he wears inside his helmet as a video camera. It's impressive and very good quality riding and commentary he is able to do and for us to view. http://youtube.com/watch?v=yxTxdcRJH30
He has lot's of videos he's made on his Kawasaki 650 ninja.
 

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There is a guy on Youtube.com named mordeth13 that uses a digital camera that he wears inside his helmet as a video camera. It's impressive and very good quality riding and commentary he is able to do and for us to view. http://youtube.com/watch?v=yxTxdcRJH30
He has lot's of videos he's made on his Kawasaki 650 ninja.
This is the best way. Cameras bolted to the bike look dumb. in 1990 My son and I did the riding for a Professional Video crew that was making a flic about Women in racing. They wanted some on track footage so they needed a couple of experts to carry the gear in practice. Then the system was what the called a Lipstic Camera mounted (taped) to the side of our helmets and a recorder and battery pack carried in a backpack that weighed about ten pounds.
Our fee for this was a copy of all the footage, which I still have. It remains to this day to be the best On bike, in race, film I have ever seen. The fact that the camera position is always changing as you move your head make all the difference. The bumps are defined and you can feel like your riding it.

I did this 16 years ago and I still can feel the bike under me when I look at it.

I ought to post it on you tube.

FOG
 

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I have a panasonic nv-gs11 DV video camera. its pretty old but still small.
I bought a mini triple stand for 7euros and its easily mounted to one of my frame sliders or to somewhere near the handlebars.
our(me and my friends) intention is to make an mp video (next summer), which includes stunting and other "illegal" stuff (the video shows to the watcher that those tricks and stunts are made in a closed area [same time we are trying to teach how to ride legally obeying all rules, and still have fun!]), so it includes road parts as well. correct driving lines and correct behaviour in traffic.

Ill post the video here when we have it ready so you can see how we drive(im not going to make any stunts or tricks, my friends will with their enduro bikes, i think its too risky for me= lets let my friends crash instead of me and my 500 :), as well as what kind of roads and things we have here in finland :D
 

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Hey All,

I use a simple mini tripod velcroed to the handlebars:
http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/longbeachgary/Vulcan 500/?action=view&current=128_2842.jpg

The camera I have is a Canon z200 miniDV but lately I've been using SD cards. Found a 2 gig card at Circuit City buy-one-get-one-free - so the cost of 2 cards was $69.99. When I bought the camcorder it was with the intention of adding a bullet cam but mounting the camera on the handlebars is good enough for me. When you buy your camera, make sure it has a AV input - for some reason, not all cameras have it and my understanding is that if the camera doesn't have the AV input, you can't add a bullet cam. Not sure if that's true but you may want to ask around.

Good luck.
 

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Buy an ARCHOS 404 PMP(Portable Multimedia Player) and the helmet cam for it. When your not taking vids of yourself riding you can play mp3's or watch a movie...

http://www.shoparchos.com/product.aspx?sku=3083077&culture=en-US

The 404 for 299.99 and the cam is 149.99... I know its not cheap, but if anyone is looking to get a new mp3 player this maybe the way to go. The player is about the price of the ipod video... Not sure how good the cam is but archos makes nice PMP's....
 

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the LUX on that camera SUCKS... Built-in Mic? No thanks... i'd like to hear my engine and my voice, not the rushing wind thanx. also, the non adjustable/replaceble lens is a deal breaker for me... Even at 300 bucks, the Viosport is STILL my choice.
 

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http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/ref=br_1_7/601-1207619-7528147?ie=UTF8&frombrowse=1&asin=B000EHKWKM

I picked that up on sale for ~$100 with a small card. It's not the best camera, but the price was right for me. If it gets damaged with the crap I plan to do to it it's not a huge loss.

http://www.foxdeman.net/autox/CLIP0030.mp4

That was taken from the worst possible camera mount. I was pressed for time so I made it at Lowe's on the way to the event. If you ignore the vibration in the mount you can get an idea about the quality.
 
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