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Wow. They shot up to $348. :eek: Just thought I'd share. Thats a serious spike in price.
 

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Does anybody have a damaged one that could be offered up for autopsy? Maybe these should be made in America. ;) 8)
 

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Does anybody have a damaged one that could be offered up for autopsy? Maybe these should be made in America. ;) 8)
Wouldn't that make it more expensive a la Harley Davidson? :-\
 

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Does anybody have a damaged one that could be offered up for autopsy? Maybe these should be made in America. ;) 8)
I don't matter Dad. Make anything, just be sure it's shinny and loud. You'll sell a million.

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Does anybody have a damaged one that could be offered up for autopsy? Maybe these should be made in America. ;) 8)
Wouldn't that make it more expensive a la Harley Davidson? :-\
No, not at all.

You know that $20 Nike tee shirt at the store? Made in Costa Rica? The person who sewed it together got $.05 piece work to sew it. At 70 shirts a day in eleven hours, six day week, that adds up to $21, roughly the price of one shirt retail. I guess the rest is cotton. :eek: ::) The prices AREN'T wages. They could quadruple the wages, never miss a beat, and sell you the shirt for $20.25. INSTEAD, they're leaning on the Costa Rican manufacturer to lower the price or they'll be taking the work to more competitive locale, mainly China. And THAT, my friends, is a summary of a hearing on international trade from a couple of years ago, not a drempt up scenario. Quit buying those simplistic crap answers that the greedy among us have spewed to the point it's assumed as fact.

A large number of employees will add up to a big number in payroll. A significant reduction in that number will add up to real dollars for ONE person, the owner, but when distributed to the price of an individual product, it means very little. (See above example.) They're happy to take that last few percent and pocket it, too. They should be ashamed of themselves.

BTW, statistics still prove that the US workers are THE MOST PRODUCTIVE in the WORLD! And no, the savings from abusing the worlds' disadvantaged AREN'T passed on to you. The greediest among us have relocated their operations to those places, pocketed the bulk if not all of those savings themselves, fellow hard working citizens be damned.

Sorry, you hit a nerve. :)

It would be worth reviewing one. I asked because I'm not sure it wouldn't be doable. :) 8)
 

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I am trying understand what you said. If they made it in America, then wouldn't wages just be a bigger chunk of the price and the company would be the one to take the hit? Where as they usually hike up the price for it?

Thanks. I know this is way off topic.
 

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I don't matter Dad. Make anything, just be sure it's shinny and loud. You'll sell a million.

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Shhhh, you're blowing the cover. :-[ That'll lead to jet kits, Fog. THAT'S where the BIG money is. I'll sell one that's got unmarked jets (numbers ground off) and guaranteed to perform properly. 8) ;D
 

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I am trying understand what you said. If they made it in America, then wouldn't wages just be a bigger chunk of the price and the company would be the one to take the hit? Where as they usually hike up the price for it?

Thanks. I know this is way off topic.
Depends on the product BUT, in the above scenario, a very real and very common one, I suggested that the $20 tee shirt could be $20.25 and the person who made the shirt for her $21 a week could have her wages QUADRUPLED. And Nike could STILL pocket the twenty bucks, HOWEVER in the wide, wide, world of sports and high powered accounting that THAT price was ever arrived at. Instead, the discussions are to take that work OUT of Costa Rica for LOWER WAGES elsewhere. Does that $20 price for a shirt have ANYTHING to do with the wages? And if they move it China, will it LOWER the price of the shirts? The labor cost is presently $.05 per shirt. As hard as I try to cypher them numbers, my simple math suggests not. But then again, I'm simple. I did that WITHOUT a pie chart and NO colored graphics.
 

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Does anybody have a damaged one that could be offered up for autopsy? Maybe these should be made in America. ;) 8)
I think where this was headed, or where I was taking it anyways, was more towards the declining value of the dollar causing the spike in prices. As the exchange rate of the dollar decreases foriegn goods become more expensive causing consumers to purchase cheaper domestic goods. SO, what I figured "dad" was saying was that maybe it's cheaper to produce and sell them here rather than exchange the dollar for the Yuan (assuming these are chinese). But we can blame Nike too if you want.
And not to completely change the subject or direction of this thread...but it's not Nike's responsibility to provide those workers with anything more than minimum wage. Blame their government. And if you tell me that Nike is leaning on them to keep wages low or they will move their factories elsewhere, i will say again. Blame their government. Economic prosperity need not come before human welfare but if it does...blame their government. Not Nike.
 

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Does anybody have a damaged one that could be offered up for autopsy? Maybe these should be made in America. ;) 8)
I think where this was headed, or where I was taking it anyways, was more towards the declining value of the dollar causing the spike in prices. As the exchange rate of the dollar decreases foriegn goods become more expensive causing consumers to purchase cheaper domestic goods. SO, what I figured "dad" was saying was that maybe it's cheaper to produce and sell them here rather than exchange the dollar for the Yuan (assuming these are chinese). But we can blame Nike too if you want.
Holy smokes! :eek: We're talking a few cans here, not the clothing and every other consumer good for 300 million people. It's a simple look at the part and a look at the price being charged, end of discussion. I'm reasonably sure that could be done here for that price. BTW, they're from Brazil. Sooo, anybody got a crunched one? 8)


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And not to completely change the subject or direction of this thread...but it's not Nike's responsibility to provide those workers with anything more than minimum wage. Blame their government. And if you tell me that Nike is leaning on them to keep wages low or they will move their factories elsewhere, i will say again. Blame their government. Economic prosperity need not come before human welfare but if it does...blame their government. Not Nike.
How VERY convenient. We're the self espoused leader of the world, only super power, yet we can't do ANYTHING about these kinds of things?! Treatment of people that is recognized as morally wrong here, but put an ocean between us and suddenly that morality evaporates. And folks wonder why I say we've got some hypocrites for leaders. Well, there it is, and in sufficient detail to make my mind up. Are you content to have your products made by someone who, after doing all of that work, can't even minimally provide for themselves? I'm not. Especially when I realize that the true cost difference would be basically NOTHING.

I shouldn't have started this but that is a VERY sore spot with me. It's full of hypcrisy and extremely abuses folks with the name of the US all over it. Not right, and not even good selfish policy for the long haul. Oh well.
 

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dad said:
Does anybody have a damaged one that could be offered up for autopsy? Maybe these should be made in America. ;) 8)
I think where this was headed, or where I was taking it anyways, was more towards the declining value of the dollar causing the spike in prices. As the exchange rate of the dollar decreases foriegn goods become more expensive causing consumers to purchase cheaper domestic goods. SO, what I figured "dad" was saying was that maybe it's cheaper to produce and sell them here rather than exchange the dollar for the Yuan (assuming these are chinese). But we can blame Nike too if you want.
Holy smokes! :eek: We're talking a few cans here, not the clothing and every other consumer good for 300 million people. It's a simple look at the part and a look at the price being charged, end of discussion. I'm reasonably sure that could be done here for that price. BTW, they're from Brazil. Sooo, anybody got a crunched one? 8)


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And not to completely change the subject or direction of this thread...but it's not Nike's responsibility to provide those workers with anything more than minimum wage. Blame their government. And if you tell me that Nike is leaning on them to keep wages low or they will move their factories elsewhere, i will say again. Blame their government. Economic prosperity need not come before human welfare but if it does...blame their government. Not Nike.
How VERY convenient. We're the self espoused leader of the world, only super power, yet we can't do ANYTHING about these kinds of things?! Treatment of people that is recognized as morally wrong here, but put an ocean between us and suddenly that morality evaporates. And folks wonder why I say we've got some hypocrites for leaders. Well, there it is, and in sufficient detail to make my mind up. Are you content to have your products made by someone who, after doing all of that work, can't even minimally provide for themselves? I'm not. Especially when I realize that the true cost difference would be basically NOTHING.

I shouldn't have started this but that is a VERY sore spot with me. It's full of hypcrisy and extremely abuses folks with the name of the US all over it. Not right, and not even good selfish policy for the long haul. Oh well.
It's called Capitalism. If you don't like it...try Venezuela, I hear they have a nice Socialist movement going on there.
 

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It's called Capitalism. If you don't like it...try Venezuela, I hear they have a nice Socialist movement going on there.
Actually, what we've devolved to over the last twenty some years is more akin to Facism... but who needs to mince word definitions. So, are you gonna' get to relaxing the child labor laws so we can get competitive. ;) :)
 

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yeah its bull that i cant have a 5 year old work a 40 hour week in my sweltering factory here. :mad:

i need to move to china. :-\
 

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If you moved to China you would be one of the elite upper class and could live like royalty on what we think of as a modest middle class budget.
Right now I'm not feeling particularly articulate but I agree with just about everything DAD said, our society is headed down a bad road.
And to keep this moderately on topic, it totally sucks they jacked up the price on Sarachu's, I was gonna buy the carbon fiber ones but now I can't afford it.
 

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kkrause said:
It's called Capitalism. If you don't like it...try Venezuela, I hear they have a nice Socialist movement going on there.
Actually, what we've devolved to over the last twenty some years is more akin to Facism... but who needs to mince word definitions. So, are you gonna' get to relaxing the child labor laws so we can get competitive. ;) :)
Oh man... I like political discussions & I'm in your ballpark, dad. But I saw some major heat generated on a favorite car enthusiast site when politics & religion threads open up.
 
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