#1...yup.A couple of points here:
1; I think there are different definitions of emergency braking.
2; I think there are different degrees of emergency braking.
This was a response similar to one I was holding in reserve. Meaning while it is certainly important to be able to stop/slow down or maneuver around a dangerous situation as quickly and safely as possible. It is just as important to do whatever possible to avoid those situations to begin with.I'm a proponent of avoiding putting oneself in a position which requires such emergency braking. Personal responsibility, being aware of surroundings, thinking in advance, riding within safe, reasonable limits dictated by traffic situations and road conditions all no brainers.
Hotrodding in any traffic a certain path to disaster. A proper time and place.
Identify distracted drivers and avoid them through slowing, passing, turning, stopping....whatever method required. Following cars these days...I'm frequently smelling pot. These immature, "partying while driving" folks are not capable of full concentration. Avoid.
Trucks, loaded pickups...avoid.
I'll avoid critical SUV driver rant....usually driving way too slow in given traffic conditions, regular non use of turn signals, abrupt turn offs, drifting L/R within lanes....on and on. The freakin oversized things are everywhere and block forward vision of lane conditions. Avoid whenever possible.
Dunno, I can't even remember the last time I was in a truly genuine emergency braking situation. Must be doing something right.
You zeroed in on my clues :wink2:.#1...yup.
Reminds me of a situation I faced on a nice summer day a couple of years ago. I was riding along minding my own business when I rounded a corner and noticed the highway crew had just finished OILING the bridge up ahead! I'm not kidding; they had just sprayed it with linseed oil in order to protect the re-bar in the deck from winter salt damage. I didn't know it was oil at that moment but I instinctively knew it didn't look good.
I had just enough time to brake heavily and slow a bit before I hit that bridge deck. At that point I got off the brakes totally and hung on for the ride. There was virtually zero traction and emergency braking consisted of not even touching the brakes. Engine braking slowed me a bit more but there was no point in stopping completely because if I had, chances were good that my boot would slip on the pavement and I'd fall down anyway. Figured I was better off keeping a little gyroscopic force from the rotating wheels. I was lucky to make it to the other side without crashing. Nary a warning sign or a flagger. What a bunch of boneheads.
I'm going to have to disagree with what I highlighted in bold. I'm glad you made this response because this is what I was fishing for. It is without a doubt the most common response on an emergency braking thread. The way I'm reading this is your describing an extreme situation, something along the lines of riding along at 80mph and all of a sudden a brick wall appears 100 feet away going all the way across the road :surprise:. Or maybe something more realistic, coming around a blind curve at 80 mph then all of a sudden traffic is locked down in front of you. While I agree that you describe the best way to brake in this situation, and great to be able to execute it, I'm going to have to prey I don't get in that situation, because even if I safely stop my bike I don't think my heart can handle it.Am I wrong on anything here?
Almost totally. the simple fact that the front brake alone can lift the rea off the ground making braking it redundant.
Or in a emergency braking situation , if your rear brake is doing anything ,your simply not braking hard enough with the front.
This would mean by default you would also have to be agreeing with me on most points, but I get it not on all.I gonna have to agree with FOG on this one...though I also completely agree with ducatiman.
Now this is what is tripping me up. To try to simplify what I'm describing I think everyone will agree that the slowest possible way to stop your bike would be to go into neutral and just coast to a stop. That quote is literally saying that if you are going say 40 mph, and you were to go into to neutral, it would take you the exact time/feet to reduce your speed to 10mph whether your only coasting or using rear brake only. I don't believe for a minute that you or anyone else believes this to be true ( I think your leaving out a critical piece of information).Both my 996 and my Aprilia will produce not one iota of speed reduction above 5-10 mph with rear brake application.
This goes to the point I made about different definitions. What the heck is an "all out panic brake emergency stop"? It looks like you bumped emergency braking to an even higher level. Every one should agree that going into a panic is the last thing you should do in any braking scenario. So elaborating on what this means would be appreciated.But an all out panic brake emergency stop
My point was/is, if you were riding the same bike I was, and knew the rear brake was all but useless you'd not bother with it save for the specific set of circumstances I described where the rear brake actually did something besides adorn my bike with extra weight.
No, I'm not leaving anything out. The rear brakes on both my described bikes are completely useless in scrubbing any amount of speed above parking lot speeds (and even then with a great deal of clutch slipping to keep it under 20 mph)( I think your leaving out a critical piece of information).
Try to envision this:What the heck is an "all out panic brake emergency stop"? It looks like you bumped emergency braking to an even higher level. Every one should agree that going into a panic is the last thing you should do in any braking scenario. So elaborating on what this means would be appreciated.
The local traffic regulation marks the use of personal protective equipment when riding a two-wheeled motor vehicle whose speed is greater than 20Km / h. Although there are those who do not care.Well, I can't argue with that part :grin2:.
Are you required to wear them where you at?