Yes , they are excelent pants . Great for cold weather . And rain .
Yep , I forgot to mention that they are PIA at first to get on . Also you can take the liner out unless it's sub-freezing , this also makes the easier to put on . Them with some theremals will just about do ya for most cold weather . Personally I don't use the armor or liner .smithmax said:Mine are a little long when I am standing around, but they are the perfect length for riding. Also very warm easy to put on once you get used to doing it.